My 2019 Q7 50tdi which I had from new did 34 mpg average so cost quite a bit more than my present Sorento PHEV which had averaged 65 mpg over the past 18000 miles. I can't wait until I don't need the extra seats as there are so many more options, especially BEV. I don't understand why there are so few large cars with the three individual second row seats.
Volvo T6 or T8 Hybrids - Experience
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Well stone me, Funny how seeing how much things cost changes attitudes, I normally do the fill ups or if the missus does it goes on my magic money card, so she never really thinks about it, just fill and go without a care in the world.
Charging this at home is doubling our energy usage and the smart meter is going nuts which is something she can see, all of a sudden the missus is worried about costs, I've explained its less that I normally pay but she doesn't like it
Today, she actually decided to charge it at the office
free power, never thought that day would come, it might be a little win, but we should enjoy the small victories 
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1 month and 1035 miles in and just done my first fill up, think its safe to say that EV mode is working out for the missus, she's even said she'd have no issue with a full EV after running this and doing the charging etc. running approx 40/60 petrol/electric.
We are now seeing 30+ miles on EV with regularity, lows now ~28, high 37, comparing its costs versus petrol it is working out well for our local stuff, of course it is absolutely killing our old diesel on the same town driving.
That's 1.9-2.43 miles per kw, so some way off advertised 3.2 but acceptable, of course that's going off of usable battery size, if you include charging loss of ~16% its 1.62- 2.1 miles per kw, not sure if that improves with temp too I need to test a few more full battery depletions to understand impact of charging cold battery vs warm.
Just did a 260 mile trip fully loaded with no charging, not the worlds most economical petrol motor, about 32-34mpg @ normal motorway speeds, hard to know exactly as it does still do some regen and electric use when flat and tells me I'm doing 60 mpg as it ignores electric consumption, in the old Volvos you would get a report of Kw use/regen and fuel use, this has not been implemented in Google yet, which is a shame as I like data /nerd
Next month 500 mile towing, it's got a low bar to beat of 21-23mpg for the old machine, I'm confident it'd do at least that.
We are now seeing 30+ miles on EV with regularity, lows now ~28, high 37, comparing its costs versus petrol it is working out well for our local stuff, of course it is absolutely killing our old diesel on the same town driving.
That's 1.9-2.43 miles per kw, so some way off advertised 3.2 but acceptable, of course that's going off of usable battery size, if you include charging loss of ~16% its 1.62- 2.1 miles per kw, not sure if that improves with temp too I need to test a few more full battery depletions to understand impact of charging cold battery vs warm.
Just did a 260 mile trip fully loaded with no charging, not the worlds most economical petrol motor, about 32-34mpg @ normal motorway speeds, hard to know exactly as it does still do some regen and electric use when flat and tells me I'm doing 60 mpg as it ignores electric consumption, in the old Volvos you would get a report of Kw use/regen and fuel use, this has not been implemented in Google yet, which is a shame as I like data /nerd
Next month 500 mile towing, it's got a low bar to beat of 21-23mpg for the old machine, I'm confident it'd do at least that.
Sad times, sexy 22s dropped in favour of some invisible 20s, loss of 3 tires for various reasons on 22s led the decision, hope this mitigates further failures.
Life got in the way of the track trip so no tow report....boo, car has been superb otherwise, completely fitting the brief it was bought for, as temps improved so did its electric efficiency, managing 2.7-3 miles/kw, not too shabby, though it can tank for reasons that just aren't clear to me, given up trying to figure it out despite a few of our journeys being double the battery range the consumption has been decent, sitting at about 160mpg for the past 1500 miles, so our driving profile fits this type of car well, in that we don't often go far enough for the inefficient petrol to impact much.
Only real negative now I've been using it for a while is its size, despite being a bigger footprint than our old car we're finding it quite small once loaded up with dog/kids/wheelchair/scooters etc, all the air crap in boot leads to quite a shallow boot with tonneau cover, pretty much have to throw that away and I have this weird thing where stuff in boot not being covered irks me, even thould you can't see it with privacy glass.
Fingers crossed the prices of ex90 tanks with other EVs, missus would go for that.
Now that I have cracked the modification seal, I've been considering some other tweaks, like lowering, I like how it looks parked with comfort access, I'd quite like it to look like that when it motion rather than an inch higher, then there's the Polestar map, modifying a Volvo though....doesn't seem right, will loose its comfort wagon status, unless it's a nodding dog and box of tissues in the back window
oh wait there's no cover for that stuff to sit on.
Life got in the way of the track trip so no tow report....boo, car has been superb otherwise, completely fitting the brief it was bought for, as temps improved so did its electric efficiency, managing 2.7-3 miles/kw, not too shabby, though it can tank for reasons that just aren't clear to me, given up trying to figure it out
despite a few of our journeys being double the battery range the consumption has been decent, sitting at about 160mpg for the past 1500 miles, so our driving profile fits this type of car well, in that we don't often go far enough for the inefficient petrol to impact much.Only real negative now I've been using it for a while is its size, despite being a bigger footprint than our old car we're finding it quite small once loaded up with dog/kids/wheelchair/scooters etc, all the air crap in boot leads to quite a shallow boot with tonneau cover, pretty much have to throw that away and I have this weird thing where stuff in boot not being covered irks me, even thould you can't see it with privacy glass.
Fingers crossed the prices of ex90 tanks with other EVs, missus would go for that.
Now that I have cracked the modification seal, I've been considering some other tweaks, like lowering, I like how it looks parked with comfort access, I'd quite like it to look like that when it motion rather than an inch higher, then there's the Polestar map, modifying a Volvo though....doesn't seem right, will loose its comfort wagon status, unless it's a nodding dog and box of tissues in the back window
oh wait there's no cover for that stuff to sit on.
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In for the annual service this week, so 1yr report, how has it been, pretty damn good, fulfilled the brief for the dual nature car EV town car, long range lugger, I’d like to say it has been perfect but I cannot, we had a heater failure that took a while to fix, in fact it took a while to even get the car into my local dealer….
Fortunately loosing the coolant heater was not end of the world as I have a big turbo petrol powered lump of aluminium that can do a good job of this
How much have we used this PHEV as intended, pretty much all our local running has been covered in EV mode, petrol filling in on the long range stuff, in just under 10k and we are only on on 7th tank of fuel so an average of ~1400 miles per tank, typically nearer 2k
So lots of EV use, gotta be in the region of 70% EV.
This can been seen in the tyre wear, current depths are 5mm front (petrol engine) 3mm rear (electric motor) obviously having the rear do both the accelerating and the decelerating in EV mode (one pedal drive so rear motor does regen) has quite an impact on tyre wear, can only be 6-7k on this set as I replaced them after all the 22” blowouts to 20”s, so looking at about maybe 10k out of a pair, not great, will do a rotation so I replace all 4 together later in the year ready for winter wetness. On the plus side, barely any break pad wear, just moved the problem somewhere else I guess. Is it a plus, pads are cheaper than tyres…..Hmmmm
For our journeys and how we use the car, the EV side is not very efficient, we can have some good outliers over 2.7 miles per kw but that is rare, 2.4 seems most common, now in low temp its 1.9-2.2, doesn’t matter too much, as we fill cheap/free, just means for the most part you only get 30-35miles out of its usable battery, it never really got loads better in the summer for us, couple of 38s and the odd kiss of a 40.
This could have course be attributed to buying the wrong tyres when I dropped down to 20s, using proper sports rubber rather than some EV/VOL specific things, when I replace I will not make that mistake, maybe it will improve things on wear and consumption.
It’s a well put together machine, despite the battering this got from the kids, potholes and missus smashing curbs etc, no squeaks or rattles or other issues have materialized, interior has held up well to the dogs claws and its general craziness when she gets excited. Feels nice and robust.
Overall good car and I love the look of the thing, trawling Volvo forums though does give me concerns about its ability to be a long term keeper, with EV running gear issues etc, but at the moment it feels so good I might just do the head in sand thing and hope it out lasts me
Fortunately loosing the coolant heater was not end of the world as I have a big turbo petrol powered lump of aluminium that can do a good job of this
How much have we used this PHEV as intended, pretty much all our local running has been covered in EV mode, petrol filling in on the long range stuff, in just under 10k and we are only on on 7th tank of fuel so an average of ~1400 miles per tank, typically nearer 2k
So lots of EV use, gotta be in the region of 70% EV.This can been seen in the tyre wear, current depths are 5mm front (petrol engine) 3mm rear (electric motor) obviously having the rear do both the accelerating and the decelerating in EV mode (one pedal drive so rear motor does regen) has quite an impact on tyre wear, can only be 6-7k on this set as I replaced them after all the 22” blowouts to 20”s, so looking at about maybe 10k out of a pair, not great, will do a rotation so I replace all 4 together later in the year ready for winter wetness. On the plus side, barely any break pad wear, just moved the problem somewhere else I guess.
Is it a plus, pads are cheaper than tyres…..Hmmmm For our journeys and how we use the car, the EV side is not very efficient, we can have some good outliers over 2.7 miles per kw but that is rare, 2.4 seems most common, now in low temp its 1.9-2.2, doesn’t matter too much, as we fill cheap/free, just means for the most part you only get 30-35miles out of its usable battery, it never really got loads better in the summer for us, couple of 38s and the odd kiss of a 40.
This could have course be attributed to buying the wrong tyres when I dropped down to 20s, using proper sports rubber rather than some EV/VOL specific things, when I replace I will not make that mistake, maybe it will improve things on wear and consumption.
It’s a well put together machine, despite the battering this got from the kids, potholes and missus smashing curbs etc, no squeaks or rattles or other issues have materialized, interior has held up well to the dogs claws and its general craziness when she gets excited. Feels nice and robust.
Overall good car and I love the look of the thing, trawling Volvo forums though does give me concerns about its ability to be a long term keeper, with EV running gear issues etc, but at the moment it feels so good I might just do the head in sand thing and hope it out lasts me
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Im also looking at these as a conventionally fueled option for my next company car. if you dont charge, hows the MPG on a local run. My 330e is ok on a run when not charging (45-47mpg) but round town is terrible, 26mpg. But the range if charging is only 17-19 in winter, so no better off with charge.
I had an older diesel XC60 back in the day, best car ive had as a company chariot if im honest, and i fancy another one, as they are really well specced, other PHEV option is the F Pace.
I had an older diesel XC60 back in the day, best car ive had as a company chariot if im honest, and i fancy another one, as they are really well specced, other PHEV option is the F Pace.
We would have had an F-PACE but Jags delivery times and certainty of any times quoted was at the time, and probably still is a joke. We ordered 5 cars in a whatever comes first we'll have, Jag didn't even make the cut as it was a 2 yr window....I had no time for that, and I wouldn't pay over list for anything used which was how it was when we ordered due to shortages. lovely car though.
Hard for me to reliably comment on petrol use as we mainly use as EV, must be over 70%, and I've been lucky and always seem to be able to get some form of charge on other journeys, you know like free at hotels or campsites etc, but I can't imagine Volvos engine being a patch on BMWs, when we are using the petrol we are pulling something or fully loaded, think the best I have seen on a 300 mile trip when I had no ability to charge was 37mpg.
Typically with some charge many journeys are claiming 70+ but of course it doesn't count the electric in that, as an example my trip counter says I have done 133mpg over 6500miles. It may not be far off the truth or even a bit pessimistic if I consider how cheap I charge.
In my fuelly notes I convert EV cost to petrol and work out it equivalent mpg based of what I paid using 0.264p a unit for electric even for my free fill ups to work out an an overall equivalent mpg to compare to my old bus and this puts it at 45-55mpg as its cost to run. Obviously that figure would be in triple digits if I now use my new off peak tariff and didn't disregard free charging.
On the EV range side plenty of people claim to to far better than me, like mpg, EV range is going to be dependent on your use case.
Looking today, the X5 would be a contender, it was last time to be fair but the EV powertrain was lacking, now it matches the Volvo, perhaps surpasses, can't remember now in performance and usefulness of the EV side with a stronger motor and bigger battery so range should be greater. Missus also thought the x5 was too big but actually as our lives have changed a bit we're finding the XC60 a bit small, so the X5 might be perfect now
Hard for me to reliably comment on petrol use as we mainly use as EV, must be over 70%, and I've been lucky and always seem to be able to get some form of charge on other journeys, you know like free at hotels or campsites etc, but I can't imagine Volvos engine being a patch on BMWs, when we are using the petrol we are pulling something or fully loaded, think the best I have seen on a 300 mile trip when I had no ability to charge was 37mpg.
Typically with some charge many journeys are claiming 70+ but of course it doesn't count the electric in that, as an example my trip counter says I have done 133mpg over 6500miles.
It may not be far off the truth or even a bit pessimistic if I consider how cheap I charge.In my fuelly notes I convert EV cost to petrol and work out it equivalent mpg based of what I paid using 0.264p a unit for electric even for my free fill ups to work out an an overall equivalent mpg to compare to my old bus and this puts it at 45-55mpg as its cost to run. Obviously that figure would be in triple digits if I now use my new off peak tariff and didn't disregard free charging.
On the EV range side plenty of people claim to to far better than me, like mpg, EV range is going to be dependent on your use case.
Looking today, the X5 would be a contender, it was last time to be fair but the EV powertrain was lacking, now it matches the Volvo, perhaps surpasses, can't remember now in performance and usefulness of the EV side with a stronger motor and bigger battery so range should be greater. Missus also thought the x5 was too big but actually as our lives have changed a bit we're finding the XC60 a bit small, so the X5 might be perfect now
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The MY24 Volvo battery has remained the same as what I have, though the website is not clear, they may have opened up a touch of extra range through increasing the unusable portion of the 18.8 to over 14.8 but in all likely hood the increase range has come from changes to wheel design and tyre as ~4kwh of reserved battery they have to play with is small.
BMW battery was an already massive 25ish kwh, but they have improved drive train now, new motor that is 197bhp, 90 odd up from the old one, more powerful motor means better regen and more useful without assistance, able to use it at higher speed etc.
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MY24 is 6.6kw but for some rather odd reason they have gone 2 phase, so it seems that it is still 3.6Kw on a standard UK home supply, bonkers.
In reality because the battery is small it is fine, ~5 hour charge time over night, though it can mean when preconditioning at home the heating can pull more than the car can take in if your doing a quick 15 min cabin heat up (not much more but, you know a little loss is an annoying loss ), so it is better to tell the Volvo to get the car ready by a certain time then it heats the car up and recharges the battery itself in a controlled way leaving both battery full and car hot.
In reality because the battery is small it is fine, ~5 hour charge time over night, though it can mean when preconditioning at home the heating can pull more than the car can take in if your doing a quick 15 min cabin heat up (not much more but, you know a little loss is an annoying loss
), so it is better to tell the Volvo to get the car ready by a certain time then it heats the car up and recharges the battery itself in a controlled way leaving both battery full and car hot.
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I wouldn't worry too much about the heating issue consuming some battery. If you are on a time of use tariff you want to be using the cheaper energy from 0030-0430 to make heat rather than the juicy expensive morning stuff.MY24 is 6.6kw but for some rather odd reason they have gone 2 phase, so it seems that it is still 3.6Kw on a standard UK home supply, bonkers.
In reality because the battery is small it is fine, ~5 hour charge time over night, though it can mean when preconditioning at home the heating can pull more than the car can take in if your doing a quick 15 min cabin heat up (not much more but, you know a little loss is an annoying loss
I'm not to worried, even my peak rate is cheaper to run than petrol, though that is marginal now prices have dropped so much @ 138.9 for E5 it is a close run thing with my EV efficiency, another 10p and it'd be cheaper to run petrol if I can't cheap/free charge.
Its more the battery percentage loss, I want to leave at 100 not 98/99, I know, saddo, My cheap rate is till 7 so not too bad and it only uses ~ 500w once upto temp ticking over, just the initial warm up that sucks down the elecrons which can be done by 7.
To be honest now she has had 6 chargers installed at work I shouldn't even plug it in an home and just pre heat off battery any way, use the free power, stay true to my Scottish roots
Its more the battery percentage loss, I want to leave at 100 not 98/99, I know, saddo, My cheap rate is till 7 so not too bad and it only uses ~ 500w once upto temp ticking over, just the initial warm up that sucks down the elecrons which can be done by 7.
To be honest now she has had 6 chargers installed at work I shouldn't even plug it in an home and just pre heat off battery any way, use the free power, stay true to my Scottish roots
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The new x5 50e has better batteries though so total capacity has gone up from the 45e. now its 63 miles vs 54 miles on the old one.
As always the quoted range numbers are WLTP and what you end up getting is all down to how your car is specced, and how you drive, WLTP on my XC60 was 48 mile range, but as I added the sports kit with 22" rims, it took 10% off of quoted, so immediately I compromised mine then of course no one drives the test conditions on the road, so I'd take the numbers as a guide not that you are going to achieved claimed, just like mpg numbers.
If you want the best range, check the spec tested and keep the car close to that, don't go mad on options like fancy rims etc.
Having a big battery though is a sure fire way to get more range and cars like the X5 start with a good size.
then of course no one drives the test conditions on the road, so I'd take the numbers as a guide not that you are going to achieved claimed, just like mpg numbers.If you want the best range, check the spec tested and keep the car close to that, don't go mad on options like fancy rims etc.
Having a big battery though is a sure fire way to get more range and cars like the X5 start with a good size.
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Well little update to this as we switched the tyres a few months back, this time I pulled off the Sports rubber I mistakenly bought and put the car back on the EV rubber it was supposed to be running.
That week almost instantly the range jumped up ~10-15% but it was hard to conclusively say whether that was the tires or because the temperature had also went over that ~10C threshold where the EV side starts to work better, but certainly now we have had some warmer weather we are indeed not seeing less than 40 miles, we are now 40-45miles out of a charge, so there you go, smaller lighter wheels with the right rubber FTW. (that or Volvos drivetrain optimizations every update are actually doing something)
It might even manage more but as the extra range better fits our daily use we are rarely fully emptying the battery at the moment.
Big problem we have now is the fuel never gets used, 8 tanks in 13k, last fill up early Feb. OK not really a problem
Time for a proper EV perhaps?
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