Vote against a SuperMosque at the Olympics site

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cleanbluesky said:
I think I owe an apology here, I didn't know enough about code to check such things... I'm going to change the OP
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You should change the title as well. It would be unfair for people to petition numéro dix against the SuperMosque when they think they are only voting against it in a rigged website owned by the Daily Mail.
 
I voted against also, simply because regardless of my own personal beliefs (Im agnostic), as a Christian based country, I dont believe it is right to have a building dominating the skyline of our capital for any religion other than the native one! I have no issues with Mosques in general, but jeez, its a christian country. What happened to pride in your heritage?
 
I wont be signing a petition. It's petty. The reasons for far outweigh the reasons against..

(In my 'can't be arsed' state):

For:

*Cultural Diversity.
*Ethnic and religious appeasement.
*Re-investing a small percentage of those taxes paid by members of said religion as they would see fit.
*It will most likely be built in a modern style and represent forward thinking architecture.
*It will be a clean, safe, convenient and most likely a very cosmopolitan mosque.


Against:

*It will make everything smell like curry™.




That is the problem isn't it?. That they all smell funny and plan to destroy us all?.


So far the thread has delivered this:

Tommy B said:
£100 millions ffs.

It will dwarf our culture.
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What a crock.
 
benneh said:
I wont be signing a petition. It's petty. The reasons for far outweigh the reasons against..

(In my 'can't be arsed' state):

For:

*Cultural Diversity.
*Ethnic and religious appeasement.
*Re-investing a small percentage of those taxes paid by members of said religion as they would see fit.
*It will most likely be built in a modern style and represent forward thinking architecture.
*It will be a clean, safe, convenient and most likely a very cosmopolitan mosque.


Against:

*It will make everything smell like curry™.




That is the problem isn't it?. That they all smell funny and plan to destroy us all?.


So far the thread has delivered this:






What a crock.
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Spawn said:
I am indeed sherlock;), what has me being Canadian have to do with the thread btw??...are Canadians not welcome here??:confused:. When i say we, i meant non white british people capiche?? ie brown, black, yellow, blue coloured people...
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Canadians are welcome. Canadians or anyone else who comes here yet continually slags off the country, says how awful it is and how he can't wait to leave, aren't :)
 
benneh said:
I wont be signing a petition. It's petty. The reasons for far outweigh the reasons against..

(In my 'can't be arsed' state):

For:

*Cultural Diversity.
*Ethnic and religious appeasement.
*Re-investing a small percentage of those taxes paid by members of said religion as they would see fit.
*It will most likely be built in a modern style and represent forward thinking architecture.
*It will be a clean, safe, convenient and most likely a very cosmopolitan mosque.
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Are you saying we should appease the ethnic / religious minorities? :confused: I couldn't disagree more.

What makes you think the building will be modern and forward thinking, when Islam itself is outdated and backward?
 
I tried and failed to find evidence of that too. However, even if it is entirely privately funded I'm not sure that it should be allowed, unless its architecture is sufficiently discreet, modern and in-keeping with the local area. From the article it seems that normal planning procedures and the concerns of local citizens could be overridden.
 
zain said:
Well a mosque serves the purpose of worship for Muslims right? Is there not issue after issue being shown in the media about Muslims? Regardless of small or big?

There has been peace from the media and Muslims, I am just stating it was only a matter of time before some form of bash the muslims would come up again.
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Fair enough, you can do your bit to stay on good terms with the house if by signing the petition if you like...
 
Spawn said:
And what does this have to do with the topic at hand??:confused: Whether or not i practise Islam fully is neither here or there tbh, plus the simple fact that its really none of your business:).
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Oooo, get her. Since when have you been bothered about sticking to the subject.
I was under the impression that Islam was quite a strict religion and, knowing that you don't adhere to all its beliefs, I just assumed that you didn't bother with mosques & praying.
Practicing Catholics aren't really allowed to 'perm any 6 from 10 Commandments', not without having to say 5 Hail Marys as penance of course, I thought Islam might be similar in that respect.
Anyway, sorry for going OT & don't take it so seriously, my question that is, not your religion:)
 
Tablighi Jamaat
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/20/ntablig20.xml

The opposition has been assisted by revelations that some of the suspected terrorists who wished to use liquid explosives to blow up US-bound planes, which was revealed on August 10 (Operation Overt) had been followers of Tablighi Jamaat, such as 26-year old Assad Sarwar, as we mentioned on August 15. Another of the suspects, Waheed Zaman was head of the London Metropolitan University's Islamic Society and a member of Tablighi Jamaat.

In France, this group has been active since 1972, and is regarded by the French General Intelligence Agency (RP) as a negative influence within French prisons, recruiting incarcerated criminals into extremism.

There are other reasons to be cautious about such a large venue in London's capital for the group. There is another "Markaz" belonging to the Tablighi Jamaat which is based in Savile Town, in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire. Built in 1980 the Markazi mosque was built in part with Saudi funding. And two of the people who were visitors there were Mohammed Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer, who ended up blowing themselves up on July 7, 2005. With their co-religionists they killed 52 people traveling on London Transport.

Tablighi Jamaat is said to have sent hundreds of British young men to madrassas in Pakistan every year. Khan and Tanweer had visited madrassa in Pakistan, though there is nothing to suggest Tablighi Jamaat organised their trip.
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100m of taxpayers money

The 100m of taxpayers money is based on assumption from various factors, and an explanation is quite curious... the Markaz project itself is expected to cost about 300m (this figure has been put forward by the proposed developers but seemed ignored) yet strangely Tablighi Jamaat don't actually have 300m according to their accounts. A large amount of this sum is expected to come from Saudi Arabia (who seem to like funding Mosques) and is a cause from concern in itself but if we examine another HUGE mosque that was built... http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/268 (BBC link including nice picture of what we can expect worshippers to look like) We'll find that a large portion of the funding will come from various taxpayer funded organisations. So whether we pay for it, or Saudi pays for it - either way we lose.

Choice quotes from those who disagree with the Mosque
In a skeptical piece on the London Markaz, "The shadow cast by a mega-mosque," a town councillor representing the Christian People's Alliance who lives about a mile from the 16-acre site on which the Markaz is to be built, Alan Craig, notes two developments: Even though formal permission for the Markaz has not yet been given, "Muslims are moving into the area in preparation. The Savile Town area of Dewsbury where Tablighi Jamaat is currently based is now more than 90 per cent Muslim." Second, close to where the mosque location, the Kingsway International Christian Centre, Europe's biggest evangelical church, accommodating 12,000 worshippers, is being torn down to make way for the Olympic stadium.
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Asif Shakoor, chairman of Sunni Friends of Newham, says that 2,500 Muslims living near in the area where the mosque is slated to be build have signed a petition against it. The petition text states: "We propose that when and if planning permission is granted . . . that all Muslim groups be equally represented at the proposed place of worship that is to celebrate the 2012 Olympic Games in London." Shakoor adds that Tablighi Jamaat, the group behind the mosque, "is radicalising the younger generation. We have to make a stand." Tablighi Jamaat also faces a technical problem: the permission for its temporary mosque on the site expired on Nov. 2. A spokeswoman for the Newham council confirms that the organization is now in breach of the planning laws.
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As moderate Muslim opposition to the Markaz builds, the Times (London) quotes Irfan al-Alawi, Europe director of the Center for Islamic Pluralism, at a recent seminar hosted by the Policy Exchange think-tank saying he is "extremely concerned" about the spread of Tablighi Jamaat. "Tablighi are not moderate Muslims, they are a separatist movement. If this mosque were to go ahead it will be strictly run by the Tablighis; there will be no room for moderates."
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cleanbluesky said:
Tablighi Jamaat
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2006/08/20/ntablig20.xml



100m of taxpayers money

The 100m of taxpayers money is based on assumption from various factors, and an explanation is quite curious... the Markaz project itself is expected to cost about 300m (this figure has been put forward by the proposed developers but seemed ignored) yet strangely Tablighi Jamaat don't actually have 300m according to their accounts. A large amount of this sum is expected to come from Saudi Arabia (who seem to like funding Mosques) and is a cause from concern in itself but if we examine another HUGE mosque that was built... http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/268 (BBC link including nice picture of what we can expect worshippers to look like) We'll find that a large portion of the funding will come from various taxpayer funded organisations. So whether we pay for it, or Saudi pays for it - either way we lose.

Choice quotes from those who disagree with the Mosque
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:o
 
Wasn't there a thing about this mosque being backed by a load of business men from the Arab states for certain dubious reasons?

If you ask me it's a complete waste of cash. Maybe the government want to bait all the terrorists to hold up in that mosque, then they can keep an eye on them?
 
benneh said:
I wont be signing a petition. It's petty. The reasons for far outweigh the reasons against..

(In my 'can't be arsed' state):

For:

*Cultural Diversity. what is good about that? If it is good why do so many muslim countries work so hard to ensure there is not any?
*Ethnic and religious appeasement.appeasement? WTF? Why?
*Re-investing a small percentage of those taxes paid by members of said religion as they would see fit.No-one spends my taxes in accordance in whole or in part with what I personally want. Why should the pipedreams of minorities matter more than spending on policing, health, education and the general good....
*It will most likely be built in a modern style and represent forward thinking architecture.So what? It is wholly irrelevent to whether it should be built at all
*It will be a clean, safe, convenient and most likely a very cosmopolitan mosque.So what? Are all other mosques filthy infested ****holes then?


Against:

*It will make everything smell like curry™.Are you a recipient of care in the community or simply here to troll




That is the problem isn't it?. That they all smell funny and plan to destroy us all?. IS the purpose of Islam to integrate or to dominate? Is Islamic instruction to convert or to go with the flow? How well has Islam integrated to date in this country - or any other?


So far the thread has delivered this:A retarded comment about curry..... because all muslims are from pakistan right...... :rolleyes:


What a crock.Oh indeed
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