Vote against a SuperMosque at the Olympics site

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VIRII said:
How well has Islam integrated to date in this country - or any other?
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Funny, I never heard the Americans making any complaints about their well integrated muslims, the term Little Englander springs to mind ;)
 
VIRII said:
? Making a suggestion is forcing people ?
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A pressured suggestion is a forced vote IMHO. I will be voting for democracy personally so won't be taking any notice of these 'so-called' suggestions :)
 
Dolph said:
I'm still waiting to see a link for the so called public funding of this place.

It's not in the article on this is london.

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/...+decide+on+mosque+for+Olympic+site/article.do

And the BBC doesn't seem to have any articles that I can find this early in the morning on the news site.

So can someone please provide some supporting evidence for this mosque being publicly funded?
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In my post on page 2 I refered to the fact that it didn't appear to be publicly funded and quoted an article from the Daily Telegraph as a source:

Now consider the east London mosque. Its backers are the Tablighi Jamaat, a missionary organisation that says it is non-political and peaceful. Yet a senior FBI anti-terrorism official has called it a recruiting ground for al-Qa'eda, and the French secret services described it as "an antechamber for fundamentalism". Its current European headquarters are in Dewsbury, home town of Mohammed Siddique Khan, leader of the July 7 suicide bombers, who attended the local mosque. Much of the funding for the Markaz, which will cost about £100 million, is expected to come from Saudi Arabia.
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Source: Telegraph

This doesn't mean I'm in favour of building it though.
 
Erazor said:
Funny, I never heard the Americans making any complaints about their well integrated muslims, the term Little Englander springs to mind ;)
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I don't know if that's meant to be ironic although those same 'well integrated' Muslims killed 2000 people about 5 years ago
 
I'd be *very* suprised if all of the money to build this was coming from the public coffers. That is certainly not how it normally works, the Muslim council/community or whatever they call themselves normally make a significant contribution

Birmingham Central Mosque website said:
Birmingham Central Mosque is the second purpose built mosque in the United Kingdom. After initially raising money to lay the foundations of the mosque, funds had run dry. There was the possibility that the city council would sell the land off to another buyer if the mosque was not completed within two years. Thus the mosque trustees went to local communities for donations, both Muslim and non-Muslim. Soon enough, sufficient money was raised to pay for the building and completion of the mosque in 1969. The mosque was then officially opened in 1975 as the largest mosque in Western Europe.
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I appreciate this was a long time ago and much has changed regarding minority communities, but a wholly publicly funded mosque - or indeed any other religeous building - would be outrageous and unheard of especially with the money that religeous communities have at their disposal.

A partial contribution from public funds I have less of a problem with - though i still think it would be irregular - as Muslims do pay taxes the same as anyone else, why shouldn't they get something back from what they put in?

As a slightly flippant comment, why not just stick a minaret on the roof of the Milennium Dome and use that? :p
 
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The Edge said:
A partial contribution from public funds I have less of a problem with - though i still think it would be irregular - as Muslims do pay taxes the same as anyone else, why shouldn't they get something back from what they put in?
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Seeing as they aren't barred from car ownership, that roads for the streets in which they live are maintained, that their rubbish is taken away and they have access to healthcare perhaps the question should be why should Muslims/Islam be given specific facilities and investment that the rest of us are not?

And besides, immediate financial outlay (whilst relatively shocking) is the least of the concerns with this mosque. It is worthy of note that other Muslim organisations are firmly against this mosque simply because of who is funding it and where much of the money is coming from. It would also serve as a final nail on the coffin of integration and allow Tablighi Jamaat and their Suadi Wahabist/Salafist sponsors to exercise an intellectual and communal level of control upon the Muslim in London that would be greater than possibly any other Muslims enclave in the world - the minority status of the Muslims would enhance the social cohesion and sense of identity, and the rally them around the Markaz.

If I were an Islamist nation wanting to destabilise a country without openly declaring war, this would be the best way to do so. Create loyalty and political uniformity amongst an existing diaspora with a religious/political value system whose legitimacy in the eyes of its followers could not be superseded by any political reasoning. With the strengthening of their identity would come greater degrees of separation, and a greater degree of separation would increase the communal desire for separate access to resources and therefore independent political control.
 
cleanbluesky said:
I don't know if that's meant to be ironic although those same 'well integrated' Muslims killed 2000 people about 5 years ago
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I think there is something wrong with your facts good sir, they were terrorists who came from Saudi Arabia and Germany. Next time, put your brain into 1st gear before you post as you seem to be something of a Skoda on the forums ;)
 
Erazor said:
I think there is something wrong with your facts good sir, they were terrorists who came from Saudi Arabia and Germany. Next time, put your brain into 1st gear before you post as you seem to be something of a Skoda on the forums ;)
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6 posts and he says "as you seem to be something of a Skoda on the forums"

RETURNEE RETURNEE
 
Its a shame the petition itself reads as if its been written by a closet BNP supporter with an IQ of about 90.

We the Christian population of this great country England would like the proposed plan to build a Mega Mosque in East London Scrapped. This will only cause terrible violence and suffering and more money should go into the NHS.
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:rolleyes:

Surely something more intellectual and with actual reasons other than the idea that it will cause violence and suffering (which i think is a ridiculous reason to be against it because it simply wont)

There are many reasons to be against this, some have been raised in this thread. The petition itself does not outline them, in fact it even goes against one of the main issues of public money being used to fund religion by starting with "we the Christian". Ok, so Christianity is the default religion of this country, but id hardly say there were many actual Christians practicing in this day and age, no where near enough to make this a Christian country.

We need to separate Church and State imo.
 
dmpoole said:
6 posts and he says "as you seem to be something of a Skoda on the forums"

RETURNEE RETURNEE
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What has my post count got to do with anything? :confused:

I have been browsing the forums for months and have signed up recently :)
 
Erazor said:
No idea, it is an original piece by me :) Why, who else uses it? :confused:
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I think Mr Poole's suggestion that you are a returnee is because many of those who are banned and make an attempt to return often do so by making trolling or insulting comments and generally offer little content when they hit 'reply'
 
cleanbluesky said:
I think Mr Poole's suggestion that you are a returnee is because many of those who are banned and make an attempt to return often do so by making trolling or insulting comments and generally offer little content when they hit 'reply'
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Hahaha, so you on 20K+ posts are ok then, am I right? ;)

Be serious man, everyone has a right to post. Crikey, it's not 1939! :confused:
 
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