VOUCHER CODE DEALS CONCEPT PLAN!

[Space Monkey]

Instead of getting personally offended why don't you offer a way to resolve it? Instead you've had to let this chap suggest that for you.

Offended on behalf of someone else!

I don't need anyone to suggest a solution as a solution has been made and rules are in place for a reason, so nothing is needed, but thanks

 

[heatonpkmassive]

Nice, seems its a worthwhile asset.

I have been meaning to post up my 8 month long Home Theater room build from scratch for a year so now... Documented it all but never got around to writing it up. I guess that could be something I can contribute to the forum... That and Service Provider networking knowledge

Maybe in a year or 2 I might have those extra privileges. Maybe I was blind to it but I don't ever remember seeing it being advertised on the main shop site but oh well.

It's a really worthwhile asset. I picked up a great monitor and a Logitech wheel and pedals from there for a good price, knowing that I'm dealing with forum regulars and people who had sold a lot of kit on here before. I also used it to get a couple of hundred quid back from my old parts, after selling my 1070 and z97k board to a mate at mate's rates for another couple of hundred quid. I keep reminding him he could sell that graphics card I did him for 150 quid on a buy it now for over twice that, but he's too smart to get rid. But 400 quid back for my old parts meant I eventually only laid out 350 quid for my own totally new build last summer.

The MM is a total privilege, but I'm hooked on it now. I'm always on there looking out for something reasonably priced that's better than what I currently have, which is how I got the monitor and got my IPS and G-Sync replacement for my Dell 2716DG, which is just in the back bedroom and should really be going on the MM itself as I never use it now.

 

[Thekwango]

Prices (like after the last mining boom) are likely screwed forever though, which is where most of my hatred for miners comes from.

Direct that hatred towards the manufacturers/suppliers instead. It’s they who keep the inflated prices once the ‘gold rush’ is over. Direct your hatred towards the idiots paying over the odds for gpus even when the surge is over. If we as consumers showed even a modicum of common sense and refused to pay over the odds (once the mining ends) then the prices would return to ‘normal’ but we won’t. We’re idiots and we’ll over pay then cry about it on the internet.

 

[montymint]

Someone got one of the mm deals and then posted this in a for sale thread for another deal card.

"I will take this at asking and I'm local, disclaimer I've already ordered 1 from the deal so I'm ok if you want to pass on me to be fair.

Also to be transparent I will use this for a mining rig or possibly for a console style pc in the future. Not for selling on."

Some people clearly don't understand what "for gamers" means.

I fear this whole scheme is going to be abused no end. Don't be surprised if it's pulled. Especially with how salty some people are already reacting to it.

For clarification the rules are

"Same rules as before, purchase the card only for yourself, not a friend or family, these deals are for forum members only who want to game, anyone found reselling will lose their forum account!"

Imagine trying to bag 2 of the deals I thought that also wasn't allowed? Some people clearly have much larger brass necks than others.

There's people on the partalert discord that got one of each to mine on too

 

[LordD]

It's a really worthwhile asset. I picked up a great monitor and a Logitech wheel and pedals from there for a good price, knowing that I'm dealing with forum regulars and people who had sold a lot of kit on here before. I also used it to get a couple of hundred quid back from my old parts, after selling my 1070 and z97k board to a mate at mate's rates for another couple of hundred quid. I keep reminding him he could sell that graphics card I did him for 150 quid on a buy it now for over twice that, but he's too smart to get rid. But 400 quid back for my old parts meant I eventually only laid out 350 quid for my own totally new build last summer.

The MM is a total privilege, but I'm hooked on it now. I'm always on there looking out for something reasonably priced that's better than what I currently have, which is how I got the monitor and got my IPS and G-Sync replacement for my Dell 2716DG, which is just in the back bedroom and should really be going on the MM itself as I never use it now.

Sounds good, I go through a lot of tech and always hate rolling the dice selling on ebay. Would be good to have a more trustworthy group to sell to. Still a long way to go but maybe I will get there before the next GPU architecture

 

[Game]

We have never sold a 3060 that high but that is the typical going rate now and see them £800ish on Ebay.

We sold our 3060 at £359 to forum members last week at £359.99 down from £499.99 usual web price.

Prices will only keep going up now as all board partners seem in a race to put their prices up the most, gonna get worse in short term.

I know your prices are good

But it shows some of your competitors in a bad light and people moaned about the odd £10

 

[zipp0r]

Ruh roh....

Now they know that when £10k cards appear they need to start scrabbling about to get a rat to snitch what the codes are.

Leave the cards up at 10k so it's not a flag of codes being released.

pretty sure there is a snitch that did that.
would be better for people who reply to the thread to get a unique one time use code sent to them

 

[Hotwired]

pretty sure there is a snitch that did that.
would be better for people who reply to the thread to get a unique one time use code sent to them

Yes one time use codes, codes linked to forum account would all be nice but ehhhh lacking the technology and the hamsters to make it happen

 

[Game]

technology is the problem I think

but oneday that 3070 will be mine mwahahahah

 

[ubersonic]

Prices (like after the last mining boom) are likely screwed forever though, which is where most of my hatred for miners comes from.

I always find the hatred towards "miners" from "gamers" to be quite comical, mining was something started/popularised by gamers in the first place, dedicated miners only showed up years later when owning a GPU farm became a profitable idea. At the end of the day we only really have ourselves or each other to blame, if we (gamers) had never got into mining then there wouldn't be any GPU farms and BTC would still be <1$ "vanity coins".

 

[slim01]

There is a global chip / silicon shortage. Miners are not the sole issue with stock. Your living in la la land if you think that is the case.

Didn't say it was the only reason. You're either extremely new to the industry or in la la land yourself if you don't think mining is by far the biggest cause of the issue. Might wanna ask yourself why there's a global chip shortage before stating the obvious lol.

 

[Tinek]

Didn't say it was the only reason. You're either extremely new to the industry or in la la land yourself if you don't think mining is by far the biggest cause of the issue. Might wanna ask yourself why there's a global chip shortage before stating the obvious lol.

Mining (we are taking about big farms with hundreds or more of GPU) wasn't the big problem till very recently. In comparison to what the demand is from gamers the numbers that miners wanted were miniscule - few thousands of cards at most comparing to millions demanded by gamers. Only very recently it became profitable to actually buy anything they can get their hands on, to mine. To the point that a lot of gamers stopped gaming all together just to mine more on their gaming rigs - as greed won with any morality.

But from the day one of release (even before mining was demanding any of the new 3080) there was almost no stock provided in comparison to huge huge demand of gamers. And the demand is still much greater than supply and that won't change till 2022 or even later, most likely. We need new production capacity to catch up and that takes years to build, test and fully enable - it's already on the way, buy ETA is 2022 or later.

As is now, even if mining dies today, it won't change much at all for gamers, demand is still much greater than any supply. And the biggest problem is scalpers - they are very well organised and will buy out anything they can to resell, for as long as it's profitable for them

 

[slim01]

I always find the hatred towards "miners" from "gamers" to be quite comical, mining was something started/popularised by gamers in the first place, dedicated miners only showed up years later when owning a GPU farm became a profitable idea. At the end of the day we only really have ourselves or each other to blame, if we (gamers) had never got into mining then there wouldn't be any GPU farms and BTC would still be <1$ "vanity coins".

Yeah see what you mean however another single group of gamers could start something new to screw up the industry. Doesn't make a difference to me personally who they were before becoming miners.

 

[Journey]

but oneday that 3070 will be mine mwahahahah

Yes, when the RTX 5070 is out, and they aren't that good any more.

 

[slim01]

Mining (we are taking about big farms with hundreds or more of GPU) wasn't the big problem till very recently. In comparison to what the demand is from gamers the numbers that miners wanted were miniscule - few thousands of cards at most comparing to millions demanded by gamers. Only very recently it became profitable to actually buy anything they can get their hands on, to mine. To the point that a lot of gamers stopped gaming all together just to mine more on their gaming rigs - as greed won with any morality.

But from the day one of release (even before mining was demanding any of the new 3080) there was almost no stock provided in comparison to huge huge demand of gamers. And the demand is still much greater than supply and that won't change till 2022 or even later, most likely. We need new production capacity to catch up and that takes years to build, test and fully enable - it's already on the way, buy ETA is 2022 or later.

As is now, even if mining dies today, it won't change much at all for gamers, demand is still much greater than any supply. And the biggest problem is scalpers - they are very well organised and will buy out anything they can to resell, for as long as it's profitable for them

True, scalpers are the worst in the current state of stock, however scalpers can ONLY profit from items that are very rare. Without this 2nd (or technically 3rd) mining boom, they would have had a MASSIVE challenge acquiring funds to buy ALL the produced stock, AND buyers would know they're much more likely to get a card therefore wouldn't feed the scalper business model into profitability.
Production has actually been confirmed to have been increasing in many instances. Yet these cards aren't ending up in the hands of gamers as they usually would. Just look at reviews and such for 3000 series. Been like what 7 months and there's hardly any, which would tell you:
a) production has massively decreased
or
b) they're simply not ending up in customers/gamers hands.


In my 30 years of buying/selling hardware only 2 times have I seen such a **** storm - both during mining booms. I've not seen anything to convince me that's not coincidence... not even Corona causing higher demand. I once remember the price of RAM doubling in I think around 2012, but that was sorted within 6 months or so. Nvidia have never lowered their prices since the first boom taught them they could sell for 2x the price.


Thousands upon thousands of these cards are going to INDIVIDUAL farms. Manufacturers themselves, are shipping thousands upon thousands of cards to miners OR mining themselves. Perhaps into the MILLIONS, every Tom Dick and Harry are buying to mine. And It's free money - Why wouldn't they?

TLDR - IMO if it weren't for miners, even accounting for higher demand, stock would be relatively hard to get... not damn near impossible.

 

[Puppetmaster]

Didn't say it was the only reason. You're either extremely new to the industry or in la la land yourself if you don't think mining is by far the biggest cause of the issue. Might wanna ask yourself why there's a global chip shortage before stating the obvious lol.

I am far from new to the industry, quite the opposite. I assume you believe the mass shortage in chips causing supply issues with various other electronics (cars etc non related to GPUs) to be caused the miners buying up cards, or the fact that many electronics (printers, laptops, webcams etc) were near impossible to buy last year due to a variety of reasons (mostly covid related) are also caused by miners. The fact that prior to the "launch" of the 3xxx series that all of those electronic shortages you believe were all caused by miners. If you can just confirm that is what you believe.

I can tell you that in both previous times where mining "boomed" the stock shortages were never this bad. Both of those times distribution had stock of various graphics cards and many other components that are currently in short supply. Where as this time, distribution has no stock of anything above basically a GT1030. Many other components are also very low in stock. I was amused to see one distributor having no stock of LGA1200 boards yesterday. But of course this is all caused by miners right

Mining is for sure not helping the issue, but it is not to the level that many haters believe it is. Even with a crypto crash, the problem wont just disappear overnight.

Oh just for clarification, what is your experience in the industry?

 

[redballoon]

I always find the hatred towards "miners" from "gamers" to be quite comical, mining was something started/popularised by gamers in the first place, dedicated miners only showed up years later when owning a GPU farm became a profitable idea. At the end of the day we only really have ourselves or each other to blame, if we (gamers) had never got into mining then there wouldn't be any GPU farms and BTC would still be <1$ "vanity coins".

popularised by hyper-libertarian dreams more like, plus greed. Although on the opposite side you've got at least one person in the "Why are a lot of GPU's out of stock" thread conflating 'printing/putting money in the system" with greed.

 

[slim01]

Direct that hatred towards the manufacturers/suppliers instead. It’s they who keep the inflated prices once the ‘gold rush’ is over. Direct your hatred towards the idiots paying over the odds for gpus even when the surge is over. If we as consumers showed even a modicum of common sense and refused to pay over the odds (once the mining ends) then the prices would return to ‘normal’ but we won’t. We’re idiots and we’ll over pay then cry about it on the internet.

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This.... Urgh I really want to disagree with you but I can't. People flocking to buy a £2000 3090 when it's barely 10% faster than an £800 one (or paying £1500 for a ps5) absolutely baffles me and is indeed a massive stem of the issue. However you can't really blame Nvidia for ripping people off who are very happy to be ripped off I guess? I get why 2080ti's/3090s or £1500 consoles exist, but can't understand why they're so popular.

I'm a scrounger though, i'll only ever get something expensive if it's on offer lol. Trouble is, even a top tier card like a 3080 for around £900ish is considered a deal by many atm, whilst 5 years ago £900 for a 980 or whatever would have been absolutely ludicrous.

 

[Deleted member 651465]

I’m currently painting and decorating and have a ASU’s 3090 Strix OC sat in the spare bedroom ready to go in my machine.

Knowing I could get almost double the cost of it on eBay / FB marketplace is crazy tempting.

 

[neur0maniak]

People flocking to buy a £2000 3090 when it's barely 10% faster than an £800 one (or paying £1500 for a ps5) absolutely baffles me

I can't speak for all 3090 buyers, but there are real reasons. For someone like me, who is a developer, works at home, plays at home, tinkers with AI, and even likes to do some rendering. I can't overstate how desirable double the VRAM+double the Cores is, on a gaming card.
Something that is very cheap compared to the professional alternative cards, even with the currently inflated price.