According to everyone remotely trustworthy, those benchmarks are either completely fabricated or on crippled engineering samples.
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Wait for Bulldozer or upgrade to Sandybridge?
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According to everyone remotely trustworthy, those benchmarks are either completely fabricated or on crippled engineering samples.
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I have to say I have always had a lot of time for AMD processors. Cheap fast and easy to upgrade. I decided to get my first Intel chip,the 2600k i7 and it blows everything I used before out of the water. It overclocks to 4.9 with watercooling and is very stable.
I used to hear lot of good reports about Intel chips when I have my Phenom x4. It was a good chip but this is in a different league entirely. The new AMD chips look very impressive but they will need to be as this Sandybridge 17/P67mobo combo is by far the best CPU I have ever owned. I would still be an AMD fan as I say and looking forward to the new CPU's
i7 260k 3.4G
Asus p67 PRO
8GB of Ripjaw 2100 ram
You're killing your chip.
At the moment BD is touted for this month, though I'm starting to hear doubt.....
Seriously.
An impressive CPU considering that it works overvolted by 35%... (where Intel states 5% for safe and 10% for max overheads).
it will work for a while, then it will likely fail, shame the user doesn't realise that. will be VERY surprised if it survives running 1.6V for any notable amount of time. so it doesn't really 'work' that overvolted when you consider it is likely going to fail at any time.
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Intel state 1.52v maximum vid on SB.
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the problem is, we talk utter rubbish 9 times out 10. fair enough Sandy Bridge is faster than Deneb and Thuban is a lot of aspects, but competing on price alone there isn't a massive amount in it, fair enough the AMD processors are clocked higher than their Intel rivals to compete but 99% of the world don't give a damn. the way the vast majority of people look at it is 'Phenom II X6 for £X' and 'Intel Core i5 at £X', most people don't give a toss if the Intel overclocks well or offers higher IPC because look at the Netburst days, very very successful even though slower clock for clock than K8 was, and why? because nobody gives a damn about IPC and overclocking except a tiny percentage of the market, i.e. us enthusiasts.
so your talking absolute and utter crap to the highest level if you claim that AMD are failing based on the fact they consume a little more power, are a bit slower clock for clock and run a little hotter. they are priced well and offer good performance for their price, to the rest of the world anything else is irrelevant. so as long as AMD keep doing what they are doing, as long as Bulldozer takes the fight back to Intel and Zacate keeps thoroughly stamping all over Atom and Llano keeps stamping all over Intel in the market it is targetted at, then AMD will continue to grow and be successful.
could not have said it better meself
I can wait a month or so hopefully BD will be worth the wait if not then I will get a 2500k,end of the day I'm upgrading from 6 year old CPU so win win situation for me plus the extra time has given me more savings for better hardware, again win win situation .
I should add Intel might drop prices depending on BD performance/pricing etc....so that would also be good for the consumer.
.I should add Intel might drop prices depending on BD performance/pricing etc....so that would also be good for the consumer.
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I've decided to wait on Bulldozer, As long as I can wait anyways. My upgrade is going to be first week of November. So I'd like it to hit around October time at latest so I can see them working, and find out about any possible teething issues.
Depending on pricing, if BD is around 10% worse or 10% Better IPC wise than Sandy, I'll be picking one up. I can happily take a 10% hit to pick up a nicely priced 6/8 core. But if the difference is day and night, I'll be going with the 2500k.
Depending on pricing, if BD is around 10% worse or 10% Better IPC wise than Sandy, I'll be picking one up. I can happily take a 10% hit to pick up a nicely priced 6/8 core. But if the difference is day and night, I'll be going with the 2500k.
Mate if you think like that you will never upgrade,If you get Sandybridge now you wont be disappointed,If you wait until bulldozer i also doubt you'll be disappointed,Im going to wait for BD then i will compare the two and upgrade to the best one.
There's another revised Bulldozer waiting to come out on the FM2 socket (maybe next year) which could be direct competition to Ivy Bridge.
The problem I can foresee is the next revised Bulldozer is on a new socket FM2. Ivy Bridge on the other hand can be dropped straight into existing socket 1155, if my understanding of it all is correct. To me it looks like Sandy Bridge has the better and cheaper upgrade option. Unlike the next Bulldozer that requires a new board.
Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong about any of this.
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Maximum vid is just that, its the highest option they have for voltage, Intel don't state anywhere at all that this is a safe or usable option. Especially considering they are a bit more open to overclockers these days, its just that, an option people can use to play with chips. Plenty of users are quite happy to kill their chips searching for the highest usable voltage.
I mean my bios lets me do a max, I think 1.8-1.9v, and 2.5v on memory, its an option, no where does that suddenly make either safe to use
When 99% of overclockers all know a rough max safe 24/7 voltage, theres a reason why.
Bulldozer's going to be strange, firstly its most definately an architecture designed for the move to APU's, but its not quite there, I'm not sure we'll see the high end with a gpu till 22nm, midrange will get Trinity early next year.
Socket wise, we'll see, Piledriver is supposed to be an ok boost in performance but nothing spectacular but the chip after that is supposed to be doing a lot of fancy stuff for performance. Ivy is also supposed to be an improve IGP, meaning better encoding and anything that can use the gpu, but not very different cpu wise, with early samples performing clock for clock basically the same as Sandy.
If Bulldozer matches Sandy, Ivy won't be coming along and spanking it, and Pile driver could actually close the gap in the situations where its worst(most likely single threaded stuff) and possible extend the lead in heavy multithreading seeing as Ivy is staying quad core.
What could be even stranger is Sandy-E without an IGP getting spanked in things like encoding by its quad core little brother, and we could see the same with Trinity quad core vs the high end quad core. Though for the insane speeds intel has in encoding AMD need not just the ondie GPU, but hardware encoding and not software which is what the gpu's use now primarily, no idea if AMD has that coming or not.
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I'd wait for Bulldozer! I'm designing my new Bulldozer rig at the moment.
Ok, they haven't got onboard graphics in the chip, but the cheapest version, the FX-4100 runs @ 3.6ghz per 4 cores and 3.8ghz turbo.
Like the SB CPU's. each core has 2 threads each and according to sources on the net, they can be OC'd past 5ghz on air cooling alone. One states getting 5.7ghz on water cooling stably.
Will have to wait and see, but from what I have read and heard, they will kick Intel's tiny little ass!
Ok, they haven't got onboard graphics in the chip, but the cheapest version, the FX-4100 runs @ 3.6ghz per 4 cores and 3.8ghz turbo.
Like the SB CPU's. each core has 2 threads each and according to sources on the net, they can be OC'd past 5ghz on air cooling alone. One states getting 5.7ghz on water cooling stably.
Will have to wait and see, but from what I have read and heard, they will kick Intel's tiny little ass!
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Any sources for any of this?
but i read that elvis is alive and well and delivering milk round the southeast of England....
Doesnt matter what we hear, what actually gets posted as its benchmarks are what count.
It being a newer tech might mean that it'll beat a 2500k but also due to it being new architechture for AMD it could be one big expensive room heater (personally i hope it does too but have learnt not to count my chickens
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Doesnt matter what we hear, what actually gets posted as its benchmarks are what count.
It being a newer tech might mean that it'll beat a 2500k but also due to it being new architechture for AMD it could be one big expensive room heater (personally i hope it does too but have learnt not to count my chickens
)Not sure if you misunderstood, but to clarify just in case, what amd call the cores only run 1 thread. It's the 2 core module which runs 2 threads. So the fx4100 will have 2 modules and 4 cores, 1 thread per core.
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