... was it faked?

divosuk said:
I know the tech. we have now.....as I fix 27 very complex machines with a few other guys. These machines are about the same size as these so called lunar modules - and are worth about 14million pounds each. Needless to say, not one works for longer than 2 days without giving a serious problem that stops it working completely.

Luckily - no one is inside them.

I still think all the moon landings were faked.....and I will not believe it until i see a real batch of video clips or photos that look in perspective and show true pics of space. ;)
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Machines can get faults from time to time, but theres plenty of complex and simple machines in the world that work perfect and never fail, or fail only due to wear and tear after many years of use, it proves nothing that your machines have such a high failure rate
 
FiremanSam said:
I think this is the site you are looking for to back up you opinion ;)
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lol, what no Soup Dragon?
JBuk said:
Machines can get faults from time to time, but theres plenty of complex and simple machines in the world that work perfect and never fail, or fail only due to wear and tear after many years of use, it proves nothing that your machines have such a high failure rate
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Yep, the US went for simple, and got to the moon. The USSR went for complex, and didn't get to the moon.
 
I believe the landing site "Tranquility base" can be seen with most conventional telescopes these days. They left mirrors there facing the earth so that lasers can be reflected off the moon to calculate how far away it is (it moves a few centimeters further away each year). This is proof enough for most people.

It seems to be mostly the young generation that don't believe it ever happened. Possibly because they did not see it happen first hand and that there has been no other substantial manned missions in space (other than boring space stations.)
 
Can the hoax theory believers answer me something?

Do you believe that the Apollo missions in their entireity were faked - that humans never even left the launchpad in an Apollo vehicle? Or do you believe that they sat in Earth orbit? Or do you believe that they actually flew the Apollo craft around the moon before returning to Earth?

I've never got a straight answer to this when talking face to face with people who subscribe to the hoax theories.
 
AcidHell2 said:
How was it faked? they put equipment up there which is still used to day. They brought moon rocks back that can be cerified as lunar rock. Also all knowen conspiracy theories can easly be discounted.
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Very few people claim we've never visited the moon. The main claim is that the original Armstrong & Aldrin landing was faked to meet the deadline set by Kennedy but that we did indeed get there eventually.

There's an excellent book on all of this which goes into the evidence in great detail, called Dark Moon.

EDIT: I should point out that I personally don't subscribe to these theories and do indeed believe the Apollo 11 landing was real.
 
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Vertigo1 said:
Very few people claim we've never visited the moon. The main claim is that the original Armstrong & Aldrin landing was faked to meet the deadline set by Kennedy but that we did indeed get there eventually.

There's an excellent book on all of this which goes into the evidence in great detail, called Dark Moon.
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Ok, so how did they get moon rock, as soon as *** apolo mission landed. This was then distrabuted to labatories all around the world. Not just USA controled ones.

How do you explain several telescopes tracking the appolo mission to the moon and back.. ect ect ect....
 
Ok I have been following this thread from the start and to add to the debate I am a beliver of the landings.. Too much proof that we actually landed on the Moon.

For all you people out there who think it is all a fake by looking at the photos and videos etc, do you belive the Shuttle missions are also fake? What with the deployment of satellites and the many space walks the astronaughts have endured.

There is many a photo and video of the missions and nearly all of the photos and videos of the space walks have no stars in the background, You may find a few with stars in the background but I just randomly googled some and picked the first one out and it doesnt have anything in the background.

The photos on the Moon landing as stated and shown on here before also havent any stars. So you belive these to be faked and so you must also belive this one to be faked too.

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droolinggimp said:
Ok I have been following this thread from the start and to add to the debate I am a beliver of the landings.. Too much proof that we actually landed on the Moon.

For all you people out there who think it is all a fake by looking at the photos and videos etc, do you belive the Shuttle missions are also fake? What with the deployment of satellites and the many space walks the astronaughts have endured.

There is many a photo and video of the missions and nearly all of the photos and videos of the space walks have no stars in the background, You may find a few with stars in the background but I just randomly googled some and picked the first one out and it doesnt have anything in the background.

The photos on the Moon landing as stated and shown on here before also havent any stars. So you belive these to be faked and so you must also belive this one to be faked too.

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No space photos from space stations, walks ect will show up stars, as long as there is an object illuminated by the sun in frame. :)..

For you unbelivers google for space pics and take a look.
 
We left equipment on the moon that gets used very often (interfaced with from earth). It prooves the moon landing was real end of story.
 
Theres literally thousands of hours of film from the whole of apollo available, if anyone is interested they should track down "for all mankind" dvd, its pretty fantastic. (although it takes a bit of creative licence at times). It shows footage of all 6 missions which reached the surface.

The japanese are mapping the moon in high definition in the next 5 years, they will turn their cameras to the landing sites to show whats been left behind, 6 LM descent stages, 3 lunar rovers etc.

Thinking about it, probably the most obvious evidence we went to the moon is the take off of some of the landers by remote camera, there just wasnt the special effects in the day to recreate something like that.

The new spaceships being designed to go back to the moon and based on apollo technology. The command module and lunar modules look almost identical to what we had 40 years ago, if it was all faked, surely the technology were using to go back would bear no resemblance to whats come before.

In 2002 what was thought to be a second moon, actually turned out to be a booster from apollo 12, heres a little mpg of its orbit.

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/j002e3/j002e3.mpg
 
To all the chumps that keep saying "what about the stars! You can't see any stars in the pictures!"

Lets just think about this logically for a second... Do you think NASA sent people to the moon so they can take pictures of the stars, or so they can take pictures of the moon? Remembering that no one had been that close to the moon before and even if you are on the moon, then you still won't be that much closer to the stars... If they wanted to take pictures of stars, they can do that quite easily from where they're sitting, nice and comfy at home.

Also, if you people really don't believe NASA is capable of that, what about all the satellites in orbit? Going to the moon is just another step away, distance really isn't an issue, obviously there are other things to contend with but I'm gonna have to go out on a limb here and say they know a hell of a lot more about what they're doing than you do.
 
NeedleGunner said:
I wish I was so dumb to accept everything that was told to me by history.
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Well not everything we have been told in the history of time is true. This is recent history and was the most documented event in history. 1m people watched Apollo 11 leave cape kennedy.

The russians scrapped their N1 program when they couldnt get the rocket to work after a few spectacular failures. Theres absolutely no question they launched the rocket, and they launched it with the lunar module in there, the whole thing is public record in the united states, you could request plans of all the craft at the time as it was public money (the russians did this, getting full access to the design of apollo and still couldnt make their N1 work).

People just dont seem to realise how much of Apollo was documented, 6 years of development on the lunar module was filmed at grumman, every test, literally thousands of hours, the same with the command module and the rocket itself. The entire moonwalks were recorded with the exception of apollo 12 where Al Bean accidently pointed the camera at the sun and fried it.

If you fake something you do it once or twice, not 6 times.
 
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