Was jesus born on december 25th?

Ahhh...the age old and familiar response of someone that realised that what they were saying, had no relevance.

You were basically saying that once, someone called Jesus probably was born. Very useful.

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Not at all. He was saying that Jesus (the bible Jesus) was born and lived. Albeit without of the religious addons.
 
Ahhh...the age old and familiar response of someone that realised that what they were saying, had no relevance.

You were basically saying that once, someone called Jesus probably was born. Very useful.

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

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What the hell is your problem? Someone made a thread topical to the birth of Jesus. People said he wasn't born at all. In continuing the discussion I responded by saying he was.

Then a page or 2 later you pop up and ask me what my point was in responding to someone? Makes no sense. What the hell is your point?
 
I'm sorry. What? It really amuses me that people can talk so much rubbish without investigating what they're saying. Jesus lived, He died, He rose again.

http://www.allaboutthejourney.org/the-case-for-christ.htm

Those quotes don't actually prove anything, though. It's a logical fallacy to accept something just because somebody with assumed authority (I have no idea who those people are, a clearly biased website just says these people were important and said those things) says something; i.e. an appeal to authority.
 
Those quotes don't actually prove anything, though. It's a logical fallacy to accept something just because somebody with assumed authority (I have no idea who those people are, a clearly biased website just says these people were important and said those things) says something; i.e. an appeal to authority.

Quotes alone, no maybe not. But, the work of those people yes.

Doesn't matter if the site is biased if it points you in the right direction.
 
“THE exact date of Christ’s birth is not known,” says the Encyclopaedia of Early Christianity.
Still, millions of professed Christians around the globe celebrate the birth of Jesus on December 25. This date, however, appears nowhere in the Bible. Was Jesus really born in December?

Although the Bible does not give a specific date for Jesus’ birth, it does provide evidence that he was not born in December. Also, from secular evidence we can learn why December 25 was adopted as the date for celebrating his birth.

Jesus was born in the Judean city of Bethlehem. Luke’s Gospel reports: “There were also in that same country shepherds living out of doors and keeping watches in the night over their flocks.” (Luke 2:4-8) This was not unusual. “The flocks had to spend the greater part of the year in the open air,” says the book Daily Life in the Time of Jesus. But would the shepherds be outside with their flocks on a cold December night?

The book says: “They passed the winter under cover; and from this alone it may be seen that the traditional date for Christmas, in the winter, is unlikely to be right, since the Gospel says that the shepherds were in the fields.”


This conclusion is corroborated by another detail in Luke’s Gospel account: “In those days a decree went forth from Caesar Augustus for all the inhabited earth to be registered; (this first registration took place when Quirinius was governor of Syria) and all people went travelling to be registered, each one to his own city.”—Luke 2:1-3.

Augustus probably ordered this registration as a census in order to gather information for use in connection with taxation and military conscription.

To comply with the order, Mary, despite being heavy with child, accompanied her husband, Joseph, on the journey of some 90 miles from Nazareth to Bethlehem. Now think about it. Does it seem likely that Augustus—a ruler who rarely interfered with local government—would require a people who were already inclined to revolt to make such a long trip in winter?

Significantly, most historians and Bible scholars reject December 25 as Jesus’ date of birth. No doubt you will find such information in an encyclopaedia to which you have access. Our Sunday Visitor’s Catholic Encyclopaedia states: “There is general agreement that Jesus was not born on December 25.”
Hundreds of years after Jesus’ death, December 25 was chosen as the date of his birth. Why? Numerous historians believe that the time of year that became the Christmas season was actually a period when pagan festivities were celebrated.

...For instance, Encyclopædia Britannica states: “One widespread explanation of the origin of this date is that December 25 was the Christianizing of the dies solis invicti nati (‘day of the birth of the unconquered sun’), a popular holiday in the Roman Empire that celebrated the winter solstice as a symbol of the resurgence of the sun, the casting away of winter and the heralding of the rebirth of spring and summer.”

The Encyclopaedia Americana informs us: “The reason for establishing December 25 as Christmas is somewhat obscure, but it is usually held that the day was chosen to correspond to pagan festivals that took place around the time of the winter solstice, when the days begin to lengthen, to celebrate the ‘rebirth of the sun.’ . . . The Roman Saturnalia (a festival dedicated to Saturn, the god of agriculture, and to the renewed power of the sun), also took place at this time.” Such festivals usually included licentious behaviour by their participants, who engaged in unbridled and riotous merrymaking.
Significantly, that behaviour has been characteristic of many Christmas celebrations today.

Some feel that regardless of what the actual date is, Christians should still commemorate Jesus’ birth. In their minds such a celebration, when observed in a dignified manner, is an appropriate way to honour Christ.

The birth of Jesus is indeed an important event in the Bible account. The Bible says that when Jesus was born, a multitude of angels appeared suddenly and erupted in joyful praise to God, saying: “Glory in the heights above to God, and upon earth peace among men of goodwill.” (Luke 2:13, 14)
However, it is noteworthy that nowhere in the Bible is there even a suggestion that Jesus’ birthday should be celebrated.
In contrast, there is a specific command to commemorate his death, which Jehovah’s Witnesses do once a year. (Luke 22:19) That is one way to honour Jesus.
On the last night of his human life, Jesus said: “You are my friends if you do what I am commanding you.” (John 15:14)
He also said: “If you love me, you will observe my commandments.” (John 14:15)

Clearly, there is no better way to honour Jesus Christ than to learn and follow his teachings.
 
*sigh

NOOOoooo, December 25th is due to a rehashed story of the birth of the son of god, traceable back to the Egyptian god Ra, who was born on the 25th Dec, to a virgin mother, etc and so on....it probably existed before this, but most religions today are roughly based around as far as we know, there ideals.

Basically Jesus and co is the Nth rehash of the same story, <insert chosen god> was born on 25th dec, for millenia , were just aware of the latest story that's fed down the nations throats, and unfortunately a lot of people buy it.


Apparently the 'son' of god is infact the sun, as 25th dec is when the days begin to get longer and the sun doesnt drop any further below the horizon on this date, so infact all this mumbo jumbo is infact sun worshipping, rehashed, except somewhere in translation over 1000's of years, sun was replaced with son, hence giving him a human form.

I like this one - any links to a broader description?
 
For those saying it wasn't 25th December, how do you know?

Like I said earlier, 1/365 probability of it being any single day of the year unless someone shows me evidence to suggest otherwise.
 
If you took Christmas or Easter for that matter away, what would England/British culture have to celebrate compared to other countries or faiths?

The solstices. People were celebrating those around here long before Christianity took over. Easter wouldn't even need a name change, as Christians didn't change the name when they took it over. It's a spring solstice fertility festival for the god Easter (Oestre, etc...spell it any way you like, they didn't write much back then and so spelling wasn't widely considered important). Hence eggs and rabbits - fertility symbols.
 
For those saying it wasn't 25th December, how do you know?

Like I said earlier, 1/365 probability of it being any single day of the year unless someone shows me evidence to suggest otherwise.

If you give any weight to the account in the Christian bible, there is evidence in there that disproves any date during winter and other evidence which indirectly points to several different dates, none of which can be known for sure without knowing the year because the Jewish calendar doesn't match up with the one we use.

If you don't give any weight to the Christian bible, there is nothing.
 
I don't think there ever was a Jesus, I think he's a character created to pull together a collection of stories originally about other people or other fictional characters.

For 3 decades I would have roll eyed at you but after watching this I'm not so sure -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Who_Wasn't_There

http://www.thegodmovie.com/

Look up the characteristics of Horus v Jesus and you'll be gobsmacked -

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen046.html
 
For 3 decades I would have roll eyed at you but after watching this I'm not so sure -

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_God_Who_Wasn't_There

http://www.thegodmovie.com/

Look up the characteristics of Horus v Jesus and you'll be gobsmacked -

http://www.near-death.com/experiences/origen046.html

You do realise that that particular version of the Jesus myth has been thoroughly debunked? There's a problem with that Horus. No ancient text has a Horus (there are many versions) with those characteristics.

The version of Horus there has actually been cherry-picked / constructed to fit Jesus, not the other way around.

Anyway, something similar can be constructed for various historical figures if you want to; for example:
Undeniable proof that JFK was a fabrication based on the story of Abraham Lincoln! (or is it the other way round?) Don't you love cutting and pasting stuff from the internet?

1. Both Lincoln and Kennedy were elected to Congress in '46 (1846 in Lincoln's case, 1946 in Kennedy's). Both became President in '60.
2. Both had lazy eye muscles which would cause one eye to wander.
3. Both had been skippers on boats (Lincoln on the Mississippi river boat 'Talisman' and Kennedy on the PT-109)
4. Both were the second sons in their families. Each lost a sister to death before becoming President. Both married 24-year-old brunettes who had been previously engaged to other men, and who spoke French fluently.
5. Both had a child die while living in the White House.
6. Both were related to U.S. Senators, U.S. Attorney Generals who graduated from Harvard, and ambassadors to the Court of St. James.
7. Both were acquaintances of a man named Adlai E. Stevenson who ran for either Vice-President or President, a doctor named Charles Taft and a man named William Graham.
8. Both were advised not to go to the place where they died.
9. Both Lincoln's theater box and Kennedy's car were altered for their benefit (Lincoln's theater box had a partition removed to accomodate his party, Kennedy's car had a raised rear seat)
10. Both were slain on a Friday before a major Holiday (Lincoln on the Friday before Easter, Kennedy on the Friday before Thanksgiving). Both were shot while sitting next to their wives and in the presence of another couple. Of the other couple, the man was also wounded by the assassin, but neither wife was wounded.
11. Both were shot from behind and in the head. Both of their wives cradled their husband's heads after they were shot.
12. John Wilkes Booth shot Lincoln from inside a theater, and fled to a warehouse. Lee Harvey Oswald shot Kennedy from inside a warehouse and fled to a theater.
13. Lincoln was shot while inside the Ford theater, in box 7. Kennedy was shot while inside a Ford automobile, in car 7 in the motorcade.
14. Both were pronounced dead in places with the initials P.H. (Lincoln in the Peterson House, and Kennedy in Parkland Hospital)
15. Both of their assassins escaped, and were killed before going to trial.
16. Both of their assassins were privates in the military. Each was detained after the shooting by a policeman named Baker. Both were eventually killed by a Colt revolver.
17. Both Lincoln and Kennedy were succeeded by southern ex-senators named Johnson who were born in '08. Both Johnsons were in their mid-fifties when they took the office and both suffered from urethral stones (the only presidents to have them). Both Johnsons could have run for re-election in '68, but chose not to.
(Source:http://kingdavid8.com/Copycat/Home.html)
 
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No it's not clear that the thread refers to that at all. The thread is about his birth and people said he wasn't even born because he was imagined.

Actually yes, it is VERY clear that whats being said is the mesiah and god's child was never born, because that story is a myth. I also understand the fact he wanted to come in and call you on it, because when I read that a day or more ago I was close to commenting then, and finally commented now.

The fact someone called Jesus may have been born somewhere in the world at the same time is a ridiculous statement to make. Not least because theres entirely no proof anyone called Jesus was born at the time, but the fact that lots of people were born, and any one of them could have been the base person someone wrote a piece of fiction based on. They could have used a kid named Jesus as a start of their story, they might have chosen the kid next door called Bob Geldof and used creative licence to change the guys name in his story.


Essentially what you're saying is that someone once wrote he knew someone was born, and he said the guys name was Jesus.

But he wasn't the son of god, he didn't do anything the Bible was claimed, the CHARACTER known as Jesus that was being spoken of in this thread wasn't born and never existed. IF the character was based on someone he knew in real life is neither here nor there, that doesn't magically mean Jesus really was born somewhere.

I find it strange that people will choose to discount religion, books writen now on history can be completely and utterly wrong because basically anyone can write anything, but somehow anyone gives any credibility to writings made over 2 thousand years ago because, well, I can't think of a single reason the writings are creditable. A whack job can write a book now that lists a bunch of real events, like 9/11 and then his on ridiculous take on why/how they happened. One truth in a book/writing does not make everything else somehow accurate.

There was no jesus, there is no god, Jesus as refered to as the guy from the bible, was never born. Theres really no reason we celebrate Xmas, though considering we tend to have birthdays, fathers day, mother's day, and no "kid's day". It seems like a filler holiday for the whole family to simply celebrate being a family, and you know, to make a tonne of cash aswell.
 
I like this one - any links to a broader description?

except Jesus wasn't born on the 25h and the 25th wasn't used till hundreds of years after the bible was written. So makes that argument a bit silly.

For those saying it wasn't 25th December, how do you know?

Like I said earlier, 1/365 probability of it being any single day of the year unless someone shows me evidence to suggest otherwise.

the bible gives some good clues. Like shepherds were out tending their flock. That does not happen 12 months of a year. As well as many other passages.
 
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