Wayne Rooney - Victim of a witch hunt

The whole Rooney story is the definition of tedium.

It's simple, he isn't good enough anymore so drop him. Done, constant media hand wringing to sell papers if boring.

To be honest England full stop are boring, I'm helping a mate fill a skip tonight and giving the match a miss, I have no doubt it will be a more enjoyable experience.
 
Hold on, he needs time? I thought he was so 'brilliant' that he could play anywhere on the pitch?

His performances aren't good enough, providing someone offers more in that position, drop him. Simple.
 
Rooney has typically been a very good player in a very good team, therefore he's generally appeared better than he is. He's also perceived globally, until recently at least, as one of the absolute best players in the world. This is due to the team he's been playing in and the general spin of the media, especially in England where he's the 'star' player for the national team. In fairness to him, he has produced plenty of excellent performances over the years and had plenty of iconic moments (though not for England, but everyone is poor for them so let's not even go there).

Early in his career, he was very explosive, not just due to his speed, and this is what made him so good. From the outside it looks like that has been coached out of him gradually.

His form has rapidly declined over the last few seasons, and he has been playing regularly since he was 16, so realistically his body is that of a 35+ year old, and one who hasn't looked after himself that well either.

Let us not forget he's tried to leave the club twice, both times on advice of his agent to get more money out of us - it's our own fault for paying, especially the last time, but that was part desperation due to the Moyes situation.

I don't believe he's completely finished yet, he can still contribute a bit, but the penny really has dropped now and I don't see a way back for him, short of a miracle. Moving him on before the end of his contract will be difficult due to his wages, but we can suck that up if needed and perhaps agree to pay off some of his salary if he goes to another club.

I do think Mourinho has more than likely orchestrated this to a degree, because of what a big part of our club Rooney is, and it's now clear to everyone - the press included - that he's not up to it anymore.
 
can we get off this "he's played more than others" bandwagon, because it's bull.

Firstly players train many many many more hours than they actually play games. Meaning even the guy who never ever starts puts almost as much usage into his body as the guy who has played every game since a teenage. Second, plenty of players have played more than him and haven't declined the same way.

Barry has something like 150 extra appearances and is still going strong and putting in MOTM performances now and then. Ronaldo has played more games than Rooney in terms of, it's something like 60-70 more games and he's only just over a year older. Messi has only played 30 games less than Rooney but is over a year younger than Rooney. Zlatan has 'only' played 80 odd games more than Rooney but is playing brilliant football as good as anything else in his career.

Zlatan has always been in good shape, he's just genuinely a huge *******, Rooney is just heavy and could have at any stage maintained himself better.

but that is all about fitness. Fitness isn't the reason that in the first 5 minutes of a game early in the season he's playing like ****. Fitness is the reason that a player would be as good as his old self but decline steadily as the game progressed. Rooney is dire from one game to the next in the first or 91st minute. Fitness has little to do with because I don't watch him on the pitch slowing down as the game goes on, I don't see him failing to run because he looks out of breath, he looks comfortable in terms of fitness and completely lacking in ability.

Fitness, playing from a young age, these are all excuses, the same way people made up reasons for how he had a great 'range of passing' because he did something the rest of the world considers easy passing(the 40 yard sideways pass).

The only particularly sensible explanation is at 28 or so when he got a 5 year 250-300k a week contract.... he knew there wouldn't be another one at 33. Maybe being judgemental but I can't see him doing well in Chinese/India leagues regardless of the money on offer. MLS maybe but why bother, dropping down to a lower club on the fraction of the money just to be embarrassed again why bother.

IF you sign a contract that guarantees the wages to 33 and you don't think you'll get another one and you get paid regardless of how hard you try in training or how badly you play... well, I think that is why Rooney has gotten so much worse.
 
In my eyes Rooney was always an average(relatively) footballer who now and again played above himself. Rather than a brilliant footballer who had bad patches of form.

Now he is below average, for whatever reason, dont really care why he is so bad, just should not be playing for England on past reputation of scoring a load of goals against Kazakhstan.

Mourinho can feel free to keep playing him for Utd though. :D
 
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I understand what you're saying DM, but does ability just disappear at age 30? It generally doesn't, but a decline begins. Rooney has fallen off a cliff well before 30, so in my view it's the long term first team training from a young age, combined with him not taking good care of himself. Maybe the latter is mostly to blame.

Of course something bizarre has happened, no matter his age, his technique for example shouldn't just evaporate, but it sort of has.
 
He has been good in the past, he's not now. There must be something mentally wrong with him as he can't even play decent 5 yard passes properly any more and his highlights contain more mess ups than anything meaningful. Don't think the booing is warranted but he definitely doesn't deserve to start for England or Man United. Media are making this whole situation 10 times worse though.
 
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He has been good in the past, he's not now. There must be something mentally wrong with him as he can't even play decent 5 yard passes properly any more and his highlights contain more mess ups than anything meaningful. Don't think the booing is warranted but he definitely doesn't deserve to start for England or Man United. Media are making this whole situation 10 times worse though.
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This is what I find strange, his ability has just gone completely down the drain this season. His inability to play a 5 yard pass at times is just baffling, even if he's low on confidence it wouldn't have that effect.
 
Yep there is certainly something else at play. Some of his play recently would get him dropped from my veterans team. The game recently where he completely fluffed a shot which ended up being an assist for Fellaini I think, he was central and played a pass to someone on the left and he literally smashed it about 20 yards away from the person he was aiming at, shocking football and not an isolated incident either.
 
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He lacks intensity and concentration a lot of the time. He plays at a leisurely pace stroking the ball about under no pressure most of the time but as soon as people are near him he doesn't have the control, speed of thought or reactions to keep the ball or play a good pass.
 
I thought by the thread title that some old granny that he'd *removed* was after him? :p
 
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aah yes the 'victim' who has held his club to ransome, slated national fans, tried to work a way out of the club who have paid him millions and stuck by him TWICE, never maintained a suitable weight, hasn't adapted his game or attitude and has cheated on his other half with hookers
 
Something has definitely happened (hmm he had a bad leg / ankle injury under LvG which kept him out for quite a while - did he ever really come back from that?) - his form has completely nosedived in the last 2 years, he has been cronic for at least a whole season.

Cant see anyone being able to afford him, so unless he is a bench warmer consistantly til the end of this season with the club being obvious about not offering another contract he might just go of his own free will (but highly unlikely). While China will probably offer him big money I cant see him chosing there instead of the US - so Utd may have to sweeten that deal considerably.

Doesnt look like the club have learnt their lesson either, with reports suggesting Mata is in for a 2 year ext on his current deal which is completely nuts given his very patchy form in the last 18 months.
 
victim my arse. Also to anyone who thinks he is world class, pull your head out of your arse. A world class player is someone who has made it at all levels included internationally. Rooney's performance for his country ont he world stage have been pitiful when compared to other true world class greats. At best he was a decent club player nothing more.

His time is up and he should bow out with some dignity. There are a list of players who are much better than him in a no 10 shirt and there are an even longer list of players that out class him in the midfield role he is trying to *******ise. Southgate should dump him, but being another spineless FA weasel pumping shill will never do so.
 
There is no conspiracy. Wayne Rooney just isn't good enough to get into either the Man Utd team or the England one at the moment.
 
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