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RS4 to GR Yaris, jeeeez.
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RS4 to GR Yaris, jeeeez.
We'll have to see how Elon's claims stack up with reality. Tyres can only be SO good, and many of these electric (and super high powered ICE vehicles) are already traction-limited for their standing start times, which is why everyone's going 4WD to gain a traction advantage. With those claimed acceleration figures you're into drag racer territory, and they only achieve that sort of performance with highly specialised tyres and extremely stressed mechanical components (forget the powerplant involved, I'm talking diffs, axles, driveshafts etc) and specially prepared high-traction surfaces.
Similar but slightly more relaxed reaction to when I put the idea to my wife
It's becoming evident that the RS4 doesn't quite meet the family needs, a larger SUV is probably needed. I kind of knew that when I got it, but V8 noise pushed me down a certain route. On top of that, the RS4 is an entertaining car to get in, make some noise and have a giggle in, but it's not an engaging drive down a good road.
Still, no decisions made and the test drive of the Yaris might put me off. If the WBAC valuation continues to rise and there is a good profit - then I'll probably do it and go back to the RAV4/X3 chats for a while
With a rocket strapped to it, according to Elon
No normal road car using road tyres for traction to accelerate is going to be doing 1.1s to 60.
1.1 seconds, no chance lol. Even the real claimed 1.9 sec is pushing it. Road tyres and tarmac just isn't good enough even if a car is capable of it. You'll just get lots of traction control lights or wheelspin. Which still happens on far less powerful cars.
Must be talking about kph...
Must be talking about kph...
He's talking MPH, he literally said the 1.1s time is with the SpaceX Rocket Booster upgrade pack.
Sure anything will go quick if you stick actual rockets to it. Not exactly eco friendly though and not road legal
My wife's Evoque does 0-60 in 1.1s too (provided I remember to attach the rocket booster)
Well Tesla are known for publishing far out there claims which grab headlines.
The TM3 Performance and new Model S Plaid & Plaid+ 0-60mph published times aren't actually 0-60 because they are done with a 1 foot roll out, which means it is actually about 8-60mph. (In the first foot the cars reach about 8mph, which is where Tesla start the '0-60' timing).
So a P100D with Ludicrous mode has around 600HP and 920lb-ft of torque, will do 0-60 in 2.28s with run out and 0-60 is 2.5s without run out. I had one as a courtesy car for a few days and got to experience the full launch mode, it "felt" that fast and had zero traction problems on good, dry tarmac despite the tyres being rather worse for wear.
The Model S Plaid is claimed to have 1100HP, taking 0.3-0.4s off the 0-60 time seems entirely plausible to me.
No idea about the 1.1s with rocket mode, would like to see it in action
The Model S Plaid is claimed to have 1100HP, taking 0.3-0.4s off the 0-60 time seems entirely plausible to me.
No idea about the 1.1s with rocket mode, would like to see it in action
Seems like you get anyway with anything, so long as it's marked with an * which explains the cheating mechanisms used. The explanations are also usually buried 2-3 pages deep into the website.Oh, the ol' rollout trick
AKA cheating.
I don't know why they allow some manufacturers to use that as an advertised "0-60" time, because it obviously isn't 0-60.
Engineering Explained recently did a video working through the maths of Tesla 0-60 and also working out the best possible 0-60mph time with current tyre tech. Worth watching.So a P100D with Ludicrous mode has around 600HP and 920lb-ft of torque, will do 0-60 in 2.28s with run out and 0-60 is 2.5s without run out. I had one as a courtesy car for a few days and got to experience the full launch mode, it "felt" that fast and had zero traction problems on good, dry tarmac despite the tyres being rather worse for wear.
The Model S Plaid is claimed to have 1100HP, taking 0.3-0.4s off the 0-60 time seems entirely plausible to me.
No idea about the 1.1s with rocket mode, would like to see it in action
At the pub yesterday some friends got intrigued by WBAC values when it came up in conversation.
They're never going to be spot on with old cars and I guess always err on the side of caution too but my friend won the most outrageous valuation on his Escort Cosworth with £150 the offer
They're never going to be spot on with old cars and I guess always err on the side of caution too but my friend won the most outrageous valuation on his Escort Cosworth with £150 the offer
Standard measurement in the US I thought as a hangover from the drag scene?
Tell him I'll give him £300!!! I mean, doubled up, he's got to be happy with that, right?At the pub yesterday some friends got intrigued by WBAC values when it came up in conversation.
They're never going to be spot on with old cars and I guess always err on the side of caution too but my friend won the most outrageous valuation on his Escort Cosworth with £150 the offer
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The combustion even is quite a torture for tyres, repeated torque inputs and grip slip oscillations on the tread blocks. It why in the real world EV tyre wear is no where as bad as people expect, even with the mass increased.
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Guess it's so they can ignore wheelspin when setting off. I'm not a fan of the measurement myself tbh.
Recently sold a car and have taken a 2004 SLK350 in part ex, was worth £2700 on WBAC last week and £3000 this week. Decided to take it down today to see what they would actually give.... £1700 
And that was knocking down because of lack of 2 keys, part service history, slight crack in front bumper and some age related marks on the bodywork. Didn't even drive it or check if the roof was working etc. Mentioned to the guy that the prices seem to be going up and if they were getting more/less cars in, said it changes weekly and the prices are basically tied in to the auction value.
And that was knocking down because of lack of 2 keys, part service history, slight crack in front bumper and some age related marks on the bodywork. Didn't even drive it or check if the roof was working etc. Mentioned to the guy that the prices seem to be going up and if they were getting more/less cars in, said it changes weekly and the prices are basically tied in to the auction value.
WBAC is part of BCA so in theory for cars going to auction they should be able able to offer the most money, as you are cutting out the middle man (i.e. presumably unlike other dealerships they don't need to pay commission or it's a wooden dollar transaction).