Weak demand leads Apple to halve iPhone 5 component orders

The point I'm trying to make is that when there is something wrong with a product, when a company promise the world and deliver a minor update or a poorly implemented change (although I'd still call it a retrograde) you should tell them. Don't keep waving the flag if it makes no sense. Demand the 'world' from them if that's what they promise to deliver. It's not a personal attack on you when someone says "sorry but there are better products out there" it's an observation and the correct answer is "yeah, you're right but I've invested all my money and technology purchases into a specific ecosystem so I have to eat humble pie till they get it right!

I absolutely agree that if a company makes a crap product, you should tell them (and I'd do so by choosing not to buy it). That's why I don't own a Galaxy S3.
 
The point I'm trying to make is that when there is something wrong with a product, when a company promise the world and deliver a minor update or a poorly implemented change (although I'd still call it a retrograde) you should tell them. Don't keep waving the flag if it makes no sense. Demand the 'world' from them if that's what they promise to deliver. It's not a personal attack on you when someone says "sorry but there are better products out there" it's an observation and the correct answer is "yeah, you're right but I've invested all my money and technology purchases into a specific ecosystem so I have to eat humble pie till they get it right!

I absolutely agree that if a company makes a crap product, you should tell them (and I'd do so by choosing not to buy it). That's why I don't own a Galaxy S3.
 
I absolutely agree that if a company makes a crap product, you should tell them (and I'd do so by choosing not to buy it). That's why I don't own a Galaxy S3.

Come on! I may prefer iPhones over Androids but even if you are a hardcore Apple fan you cannot say that Galaxy S3 is a bad phone. It is easily in the top 3 phones out right now.
 
I dislike apples businesssstrategy, doesn't mean it's bad. I don't want them to fail.. Choice is good. Also if apple failed what would the fanbois argue about?

I owned a first nano and first gen iphone (just before its UK release) and it was amazing. Not so anymore. It's still fundemantally the same. Which can be good for some. But tbh Iwonder why ppeople upgrade. Especially now.

I think phone manufacturers are going to have a hard time pushing new phones. You can'tgo bigger , hardware is beyond what you need now, screens and cams are still getting better... Along comes flexy screen...

But looking at apple.. It's too stagnant for me
 
Come on! I may prefer iPhones over Androids but even if you are a hardcore Apple fan you cannot say that Galaxy S3 is a bad phone. It is easily in the top 3 phones out right now.

Of course, but I wouldn't pick to buy phone number 2 or 3 when I can buy the best. Samsung needs to continue working on their devices, but I suspect they'll be sticking to the current path they are on (ever larger, Touchwizzed Android devices), which is precisely what is wrong with them if you ask me.
 
I dislike apples businesssstrategy, doesn't mean it's bad. I don't want them to fail.. Choice is good. Also if apple failed what would the fanbois argue about?

I owned a first nano and first gen iphone (just before its UK release) and it was amazing. Not so anymore. It's still fundemantally the same. Which can be good for some. But tbh Iwonder why ppeople upgrade. Especially now.

I think phone manufacturers are going to have a hard time pushing new phones. You can'tgo bigger , hardware is beyond what you need now, screens and cams are still getting better... Along comes flexy screen...

But looking at apple.. It's too stagnant for me

Can you elaborate on what you dislike about their 'businesssstrategy'? I can't think of many ways why it is any different from their competitors...

And why is Apple stagnant? Are other manufacturers making bigger leaps than Apple? Was the Samsung Galaxy SII > SIII a bigger leap than iPhone 4s > 5?
I think that people expect too much from Apple, I honestly cannot think of anything more Apple could have done to improve the iPhone5 other than add useless 'box ticking' features like NFC.
 
I think that people expect too much from Apple, I honestly cannot think of anything more Apple could have done to improve the iPhone5 other than add useless 'box ticking' features like NFC.

To be fair, Apple have kinda brought that on themselves :p.
 
Your point is a bad one. In fact, you haven't even made a point, just said a few words. It's not me who needs the crayons. ;)

"Android rocks. Pretty simple really." - Almost laughable.

I think you need to learn to comprehend. You've selected one sentence from a number of posts. I don't see what's laughable about it either, it's basically a more polite way of saying "**** you, ignorant Apple fan boy' :p
 
I think you need to learn to comprehend. You've selected one sentence from a number of posts. I don't see what's laughable about it either, it's basically a more polite way of saying "**** you, ignorant Apple fan boy' :p

Almost all of the comments you made are factually incorrect. Don't spew bile, then you won't be pulled up on it. It's no good throwing your toys out of the pram and being obnoxious when people question you, otherwise why are you on a discussion forum. Key word being discussion.

As for me being an ignorant Apple fanboy, I've probably owned more Android devices than anyone else on this forum. I don't own or use a Mac either. I happen to like Android a lot, but I don't like ignorant praise/criticism from either side; you have plenty of both.
 
Of course, but I wouldn't pick to buy phone number 2 or 3 when I can buy the best. Samsung needs to continue working on their devices, but I suspect they'll be sticking to the current path they are on (ever larger, Touchwizzed Android devices), which is precisely what is wrong with them if you ask me.

You are quite funny, please do write more :)
 
This is the article where I got the 17.6% number from http://techcrunch.com/2012/10/25/ap...ll-declining-down-17-6-percent-to-14-million/

You know as well as I do that we can sit here picking statistics till the cows come home - Google "Smartphone market share" and you'll see the current trends and you're welcome to make what conclusions you like.

It's funny because that talks nothing about market share, thats sales. Between two different, non comparable quarters.

Sales are actually up 25.9 percent year over year, for the same comparable quarter.

This is what irks people in this sub-forum off, you come in, quoting ridiculous numbers that don't actually relate to anything you're trying to say; It's just emotive statement after emotive statement.

The best bit about the article you linked to though, that's not even talking about the iPhone. It's talking about the iPad. How can you compare 'tablet share decline' for Apple to smartphone share increase for Android?

I'd love to be proven wrong and I'd love to see Apple create something awesome again but I can't see it

Of the two devices we've been talking about (iPad / iPhone), which of those *isn't* an awesome product? When was the last time Samsung/Nokia/Microsoft released a product which caused a paradigm shift in computing? Something that has totally changed your day-to-day computing habits, because this is what we're talking about. Apple released two of them in the past 6 years.

I know which company fills me with the most confidence in the innovation department. Sure, they may never actually release anything as revolutionary again, but I wouldn't mind. As long as they continue to iterate on what they have, year-on-year, I'll be happy. It's not about the hardware anyway, it's all about the software it can run.

what I do see is an Apple hierarchy pulling itself apart in an attempt to regain both consumer and shareholder confidence. Again, not particularly rosey stuff.

Again, because you've been reading sensationalist articles. Read some articles that deal in fact. They've fired two executives, they're far from pulling themselves apart.

The first because he used to run Dixons, and basically was the total opposite of what Apple wanted. A poor hire, a mistake. It happens at all companies once in a while. (This quick fire wasn't really much of a surprise to anyone in the uk, was it?!)

The second was because he wasn't getting on with the other 10 members of the leadership and wanted to pull things in a direction that benefitted him and his team, not the whole company. Again, a fairly understandable firing.

So two sensible firings is a sure fire reason for consumer and shareholder confidence to be down... Let me see... like for like sales are up massively on 2011. Consumers seem pretty confident in Apple to me.

As for shareholders and share price, this all stinks of stock market manipulation to me, just before Apple unveil their numbers. Good old buy low sell high.

Lets have a look at Microsoft shall we... How about samsung? Seems like two of the companies you just mentioned had a bit of a shuffle round too.
 
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Safari works flawlessly on my iPhone (4, 4S & 5) and iPad (2, 3 & 4). What problems have you had with it?

In fact I've always found iOS to be far more stable than Android.

I know this was from days ago,

but give something a try for me. Open up [url="http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17937182&page=242]Youtube thread[/url]

and watch some videos see if safari crashes. Always kills it on my ipad and iphone, I'm guessing it's a memory issue but I get it at times else where also.

Used to be fine when videos would open in the youtube app which they removed!!! gggrrr.
 
I know this was from days ago,

but give something a try for me. Open up [url="http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17937182&page=242]Youtube thread[/url]

and watch some videos see if safari crashes. Always kills it on my ipad and iphone, I'm guessing it's a memory issue but I get it at times else where also.

Used to be fine when videos would open in the youtube app which they removed!!! gggrrr.

Yep, that all works fine. No lag or signs that it's struggling on the iPhone 5. Is yours a 5?
 
iphone 4 and Ipad 3. It doesn't slow down it just closes the app, The facebook app does the same when I check my messages as I've got loads. I was just interested to see if it happens to others also. Normally have to watch one or two vids before it happens.
 
iphone 4 and Ipad 3. It doesn't slow down it just closes the app, The facebook app does the same when I check my messages as I've got loads. I was just interested to see if it happens to others also. Normally have to watch one or two vids before it happens.

It shouldn't happen on the iPad 3 but it's understandable on the iPhone 4.
 
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