Weak demand leads Apple to halve iPhone 5 component orders

Raymond Lin · 14 Jan 2013 at 16:44

Double post.

Deleted member 77746 · 14 Jan 2013 at 16:49

ic1male said:
Just getting ready for the next model!

This is what they will be doing I recon!

FARGO · 14 Jan 2013 at 16:54

Personally, I don't think the majority of IOS or Android handset owners are aware or even care about this debate. A consumer is a consumer - not everyone frequents forums like this and cares what is in their pocket. Nor should they have to.

Fillado · 14 Jan 2013 at 17:02

It's very, very easy to speculate on this. Maps, global economy, lack of differentiation ("innovation") between 4, 4S & 5, iPhone 5S on its way etc.

It's even easier to wait until the 23rd when Apple release their quarterly earnings.

Needless to say the news has made Apple stock continue it's downward tanking.

inogen · 14 Jan 2013 at 17:06

Raymond Lin said:
If you know so much more than me, then show me some real numbers, not "your friends". Go stand outside Tesco for a week and ask every shopper will have a truer reflection on the percentage of jailbroken iPhones than asking your friends. As typically I am guessing you are 18-30, and so are your friends, so the reflection is massively skewed and flawed. You might as well take a survey in MIT and ask if they like to watch science fiction.

Ahem.

No, I'm not 18-30. Some of my friends are. I lived in a a few cities, I've been to a couple of large universities, I play in bands, I run my own business. I know a lot of people. Though I agree my sample is completely skewed, I don't have to conduct a survey for my original point to stand. Which wasn't just that geeky kids like to jailbreak so haven't bought an iPhone 5. The fact that the iPhone 5 isn't jailbroken has impacted on it's sales. Especially in China, where Apple themselves estimate that over a third of devices are jailbroken. They estimate that by comparing iDevice sales and AppStore revenue. Not by standing outside Tescos...

You can dismiss this if you like with your "show me the figures" attitude (like it's my job to convince you?)... I couldn't care less to be honest. :cool:

Raymond Lin · 14 Jan 2013 at 17:17

I am sure it has impact, but more like 0.01%.

No where like you made it out t be.

inogen · 14 Jan 2013 at 17:21

Raymond Lin said:
I am sure it has impact, but more like 0.01%.

No where like you made it out t be.

Righto, so a country with a population of over 1.3 billion people, where over a third of them won't buy an iPhone 5 because they can't pirate software on it impacts sales by 0.01%?

Are you even aware of what's happening in China? Why do you think companies like Land Rover are ramping up production by 30% to serve that specific market?

shine · 14 Jan 2013 at 17:23

inogen said:
Righto, so a country with a population of over 1.3 billion people, where over a third of them won't buy an iPhone 5 because they can't pirate software on it impacts sales by 0.01%?

Do you have a source for this? I'm also dubious of your claims.

Raymond Lin · 14 Jan 2013 at 17:24

inogen said:
Righto, so a country with a population of over 1.3 billion people, where over a third of them won't buy an iPhone 5 because they can't pirate software on it impacts sales by 0.01%?

Are you even aware of what's happening in China?

Why don't you enlighten me with at least an article of these numbers, rather than just "say".

Have to personally sampled the Chinese to get your figures? I don't need 60 million sampled, 10,000 will do.

The survey need to ask the question "did you not upgrade to the iPhone 5 purely and solely because it cannot be jailbroken".

Don't assume a population of 1.3 billion people, ask them.

inogen · 14 Jan 2013 at 17:28

Man... It's all over the internet

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=chinese+jailroken#hl=en&tbo=d&spell=1&q=chinese+jailbroken&sa=X&ei=CUD0UL2dG4TJ0AW124E4&ved=0CDEQvwUoAA&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.1357700187,d.d2k&fp=5d9affffb17376ff&biw=1920&bih=955

spoffle · 14 Jan 2013 at 17:29

Raymond Lin said:
What is so good about it?

Or are you a Android user who just posted that to troll?

What's Android got to do with anything, and do you realise you're the first to mention it?

Raymond Lin · 14 Jan 2013 at 17:32

And which one of those say "Chinese would not buy iPhone 5 because it cannot be jailbroken and causes Apple halved their screen order" (which btw, was FALSE).

Raymond Lin · 14 Jan 2013 at 17:33

spoffle said:
What's Android got to do with anything, and do you realise you're the first to mention it?

Why not leave OP answer my question?

What is so good about a company not doing well?

inogen · 14 Jan 2013 at 17:38

Raymond Lin said:
And which one of those say "Chinese would not buy iPhone 5 because it cannot be jailbroken and causes Apple halved their screen order" (which btw, was FALSE).

What?

Which part of 1/3 Chinese people jailbreak their phones (there's a carrier over there that sells them jailbroken!), there's a significant number of Chinese people who buy iPhones, iPhone 5 cannot be jailbroken, doesn't result in a significant drop in sales of iPhone 5?

Apple may well have predicted this correctly, but maybe not. The 4s and iOS5 were jailbroken far more quickly.

spoffle · 14 Jan 2013 at 17:39

Raymond Lin said:
Why not leave OP answer my question?

What is so good about a company not doing well?

My point is that you can dislike Apple because of the things that Apple do, without it having to do with anything Apple competition related.

Like, why did you choose android? He could be a Windows Phone, or Blackberry user, why assume he uses Android?

Vanquish-Storm · 14 Jan 2013 at 17:42

inogen said:
From the stuff I've read / heard on the radio about China, it's this burgeoning 20-40 age group that are lapping up "western" luxury goods.

I thought China had an aging population problem. Statistics from last year were 16 elderly people per 100 workers and this is set to rise.

Old people love IOS.

Raymond Lin · 14 Jan 2013 at 17:46

spoffle said:
My point is that you can dislike Apple because of the things that Apple do, without it having to do with anything Apple competition related.

Like, why did you choose android? He could be a Windows Phone, or Blackberry user, why assume he uses Android?

I didn't assume what phone he uses, I asked if he uses android, he could say no, he could say yes. In no way I said he has an android phone. It was an open question for OP to answer.

inogen said:
What?

Which part of 1/3 Chinese people jailbreak their phones (there's a carrier over there that sells them jailbroken!), there's a lot of Chinese people who buy iPhones, iPhone 5 cannot be jailbroken, doesn't result in a drop in sales of iPhone 5?

Apple may well have predicted this correctly, but maybe not. The 4s and iOS5 were jailbroken far more quickly.

So, you are presuming too, for 60 million people?

I don't deny it is a factor for some people, but when you assume it to be the truth on the entire Chinese iPhone users of 20 million (jb), that's when I call BS.

inogen · 14 Jan 2013 at 17:50

Vanquish-Storm said:
I thought China had an aging population problem. Statistics from last year were 16 elderly people per 100 workers and this is set to rise.

Old people love IOS.

Aye well, these things maybe true, but they have a city dwelling new "middle class" who like nothing better than buying material possessions. They're a tiny proportion something like 0.05% of the population. But that's still 60 million people.

inogen · 14 Jan 2013 at 17:55

Raymond Lin said:
So, you are presuming too, for 60 million people?

I don't deny it is a factor for some people, but when you assume it to be the truth on the entire Chinese iPhone users of 20 million, that's when I call BS.

I honestly don't understand your logic. It's rather fatuous to describe jailbreaking as a "factor for some people" if the "some people" in question include over 1/3 of one of the largest markets on Earth. You find it BS because there's a lot of them?

spoffle · 14 Jan 2013 at 18:28

Raymond Lin said:
I didn't assume what phone he uses, I asked if he uses android, he could say no, he could say yes. In no way I said he has an android phone. It was an open question for OP to answer.

You assumed he was an Android user, and you implied that dislike of Apple = Android user.