*** Weekend Football - 14th / 15th ***

Tummy said:
:D

So you'd have technology?

Ireland would ( by the letter of the law ) of given away a foul and pen on Anelka.

Fifa understand that technology would divide and split football, it would create a two tier system of football.

Techonology is not the answer.
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Exactly, video replay would have seen Given's hand on Anelka's foot and probably would have given a penalty, here in lies even video replays limitations, intentions, and the rules limitations. Given made contact, in that case penalty, Anelka seemed to be halfway leaving his foot in, maybe diving, in which case not a penalty. The question is, which takes prescedence his intent to dive even though the contact was made which probably took him down, or the foul itself.

I say it was a penalty, even if soft and even if Anelka was looking for it.

The hilarious thing is Given instinctively, in a split second with no time to think about it put his hand out and grabbed Anelka's foot, he seemingly changed his mind and made it less obvious, or maybe he was just being sneaky. If he'd had time to think, with the ball going out he'd never have made contact. Given reacted instinctively and stuck out an arm because sometimes people don't make the correct decision, infact all of use make incorrect decisions frequently. Yet Given did that but Ireland fans have convinced themselves Henry couldn't possibly have reacted in the split second without thinking, it was just on purpose.

The only things bugging me are Ireland fans insisting they deserved to go through and would have, it was level and the last 60 or so mins of the game(inc extra time) was almost ALL France, Ireland looked dead. Likewise in a penalty shootout, while Frances quality isn't gelling as a team, at individual penalties you have a whole host of fantastic penalty takers and freekick specialists, I didn't see that from Ireland either.

But this moral high ground crap, when they cheat themselves, its whats pathetic.

The idea its the biggest tournement in the game is also rather silly, International football is by and large, rather crap. France are a key and obvious example, they played utter crap, so did Ireland, almost everyone on the field plays in better teams that they themselves play better in with better football on show. Winning the champs league is harder than winning the world cup or Euro cup, infact I don't think any winning team of the Champs league would have a problem dispatching any World cup/euro cup winning team, even Spain.
 
drunkenmaster said:
The only things bugging me are Ireland fans insisting they deserved to go through and would have, it was level and the last 60 or so mins of the game(inc extra time) was almost ALL France, Ireland looked dead. Likewise in a penalty shootout, while Frances quality isn't gelling as a team, at individual penalties you have a whole host of fantastic penalty takers and freekick specialists, I didn't see that from Ireland either.
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Actually, Ireland had the better chances throughout ET and continued to commit players forward. After the goal, they understandably let their heads drop a little.
 
Tummy said:
Ahh :D

However, saying we were "robbed" is easy, and is directing attention away from the fact Ireland (who I thought were the better side over two legs) didn't do enough to win the game. They missed chances, and could have put the game to bed. They didn't and as a result were knocked out by a poor decision from the officals. This happens in football, swings and roundabouts.

It's like Chelsea last season, Drogba missed chances, but that wasn't the reason they lost! It was the ref and the million pens they should have had.
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What you have said is true. Teams should be finishing as many chances as possible to give them the greatest likelihood of winning. Cheers Sherlock ;)

The bit in bold is also true. However (and this is the point you are missing) it does not make it right. Bad decisions in football have always happened, you are quite right. However, up until relatively recently slavery had always happened. It doesn't mean that it was morally right, and it is certainly a good thing that those days are behind us.

The Ireland - France game was symptomatic of football at the moment. Yes, these things happen in the sport. But they shouldn't, and Fifa should be trying to eradicate decisions which alter the outcome of matches, be it through extra officials or video technology. There appears to be a bizarre fear within Fifa of moving the game forwards.
 
manic111 said:
What you have said is true. Teams should be finishing as many chances as possible to give them the greatest likelihood of winning. Cheers Sherlock ;)

The bit in bold is also true. However (and this is the point you are missing) it does not make it right. Bad decisions in football have always happened, you are quite right. However, up until relatively recently slavery had always happened. It doesn't mean that it was morally right, and it is certainly a good thing that those days are behind us.

The Ireland - France game was symptomatic of football at the moment. Yes, these things happen in the sport. But they shouldn't, and Fifa should be trying to eradicate decisions which alter the outcome of matches, be it through extra officials or video technology. There appears to be a bizarre fear within Fifa of moving the game forwards.
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Didn't know you could relate slavery to bad decisions in football but well done.

These things haven't just started happening, look back at other World Cups and you'll see other bad decisions that have cost teams places in the World Cup.

I'm not saying that these decisions are right, I'm saying is these things have always happened, and will always happen. Thats football. You win the games you should have lost, and you lose the ones you should have won. Swings and round abouts, it's what makes football so much fun.

The France - Ireland game is not sympotomatic of football at the moment, it's always happened. Bad decisions haven't just cropped up over night, in the same way diving hasn't just cropped up over night, nor has cheating in general.

Technology will not improve football, it will divide and turn the game in to a two tier system, this is something Fifa can understand and other people can't.

Technology is not the answer.
 
Tummy said:
hahha @ Roy Keane :D
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Roy Keane has lambasted the Republic of Ireland's attempts to get their controversial World Cup play-off match against France replayed.

The Republic appealed to Fifa after their 2-1 aggregate defeat by France on the basis that the winning goal came after a blatant Thierry Henry handball.

But Ipswich boss Keane said: "They can complain all they want but France are going to the World Cup - get over it.

"France were there for the taking and Ireland didn't do it. Same old story."

The Irishman, who made 65 appearances for the Republic as a player, continued: "If I'd been there in the dressing room after the game, I wouldn't be talking about the handball. I'd focus on why the defenders didn't clear it. They should've cleared it.

"I'd be more annoyed with my defenders and my goalkeeper than Thierry Henry. How can you let the ball bounce in your six-yard box? How can you let Thierry Henry get goal-side of you? If the ball goes into the six-yard box, where the hell is my goalkeeper?

"These are skills and lessons you learn as a schoolboy.

"Ireland had their chances in the two games and they never took them. They had chances at Croke Park (in the first leg) and they had chances on Wednesday.

And Keane pointed out that controversial decisions went Ireland's way in the qualifying campaign, not least a harsh penalty award against Georgia which helped them to clinch a 2-1 qualifying win in February.

"There was one match against Georgia where Ireland got a penalty and it was one of the worst decisions I've ever seen which changed the whole course of the game.

"I don't remember the FAI after the game saying we should give them a replay."

Keane's antipathy towards the FAI stems back to the Pacific island of Saipan in 2002 when he left the team's pre-World Cup training camp, complaining that the facilities were sub-standard.

Despite the efforts of the media, Keane and manager Mick McCarthy failed to resolve the conflict and Keane missed the World Cup.

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Roy Keane is starting to sound like an angry child lately, he's always aggressively moaning about something, it's getting very tiring.

He was a good player, but not a good manager, and to me he doesn't seem to be much of a decent sort either.
 
It's not so much what he says, it's the way he says things, like he's a governing body of footy or something.

He just needs to take a pill I think, calm down a little, stop taking himself so seriously.
 
Keane obviously has a sore spot with the FAI but even still he is spot on, Keane and Duff both had golden chances to seal the game and choked.

Doesn't make the handball any less of an issue but even against a French team low on confidence you'd be lucky to get 1 or 2 chances over there on a given day .....it is bad luck but they only have themselves to blame ...these things happen in sport all the time.
 
skippi90 said:
And yet the fact remains that they were still robbed. ;)
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Yep just like Georgia felt when they were robbed ie the ref giving a penalty when the linesman ruled Keane or whoever it was offside.

As someone said...what goes round comes round...karma is a bitch and im sure it will get France in the WC at some stage.

But to suggest that Ireland were robbed is at best a silly and foolish statement anyone could make...but ill forgive you as your a Spurs supporter ;):p

Hell even Roy Keane was spot on today on SSN with his comments regarding the match...pure and simple Ireland missed their chances in the first leg and second leg...but its easy to cry 'WE WUZ ROBBED!!!111!!'.

Its a shame agreed that Ireland went out in the manner they did, i feel for them but thats football for you...how many other teams have felt aggrieved for stupid decisions that have gone the other way.

And Henry is now saying...lets have a replay...poor fella probably felt forced to say that after the public backlash of what happened the other night.
 
shoot1st said:
Roy Keane is starting to sound like an angry child lately, he's always aggressively moaning about something, it's getting very tiring.

He was a good player, but not a good manager, and to me he doesn't seem to be much of a decent sort either.
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LOL he isnt...what he is saying is spot on and anyone with half a brain can see that...hes only saying what he thinks and i happen to think hes pretty much spot on...everyone else needs to take a chill pill on this and look at it with a calm head but sadly with some people that isnt gonna happen. Amazingly its Roy Keane whos talking with a sensible head on for a change.

I'll add this that im no great fan of Roy Keane but he does talk sense especially with this Ireland thing at hand.
 
Spawn said:
LOL he isnt...what he is saying is spot on and anyone with half a brain can see that...hes only saying what he thinks and i happen to think hes pretty much spot on...everyone else needs to take a chill pill on this and look at it with a calm head but sadly with some people that isnt gonna happen. Amazingly its Roy Keane whos talking with a sensible head on for a change.

I'll add this that im no great fan of Roy Keane but he does talk sense especially with this Ireland thing at hand.
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Where did I say I thought he was talking rubbish? Anyone with half a brain can see I'm not slating what he's saying.

I'm just saying it's the way he says things, it's getting tiring. I tend not to listen to anyone who tries to ram their opinions/views down your throat regardless of how valid their point may be.

Roy Hodgson has a lot of valid opinions on footy and he always controls himself and delivers his point without any sort of commotion. Roy Keane just sounds like someone looking for a fight most of the time, like he feels he's got some point to prove.
 
Henry's face saving has started, what with FIFA categorically stating that there won't be a replay he can now say that he thinks a replay would be fair, knowing full well that it's out of his hands and won't happen.
 
HangTime said:
Henry's face saving has started, what with FIFA categorically stating that there won't be a replay he can now say that he thinks a replay would be fair, knowing full well that it's out of his hands and won't happen.
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Fifa would be stupid to replay this game.

Henry is just agreeing with the media to avoid any more abuse.
 
There is already a precedent set in correcting mistakes in world cup qualifiers.

The Irish football body pointed to a precedent: a FIFA decision in 2005 to invalidate the result of a World Cup qualification match between Uzbekistan and Bahrain on the basis of "a technical error by the referee of the match".

In that case an Uzbekistan player had infringed the rules by entering the Bahrain defensive area while a penalty was being taken by one of his teammates.

Instead of having the penalty re-taken, the match referee gave an indirect free kick to Bahrain.
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Its a different type of error, but I don't see how if the referee admits a mistake, this isn't just as valid.
 
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