Because he was excellent at it. Other players used to dive but he took it to a new level when he used to kick the oppo players and then go down like he did vs Pompey.
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Because he was excellent at it. Other players used to dive but he took it to a new level when he used to kick the oppo players and then go down like he did vs Pompey.
Soldato
can't remember the Pires dive, anyone got a gif or youtube link?
and by yer own logic then you are well totally one sided and biased beyond belief.
the foul on park could by YOUR logic that i quoted was a goalscoring opportunity, if reina had not have fouled him park could have crossed the ball to rooney who was waiting for the tap in.
When carragher took down purposefully and some might argue cynically Tevez which btw was premeditated, tevez had one defender between him and the goal who was well over to the right, and again a man utd player bombing on as it were, had carragher not taken out tevez then it would have been a clear goalscoring oppurtunity, remember i am arguing by YOUR logic Baz.
I've got no idea what you're going on about now. Where have i said anything that would suggest that what Reina or Carra done was worth a red card? Vidic denied a clear goalscoring opportunity, Carra and Reina's challenges didn't. Park was running away from goal and was unlikely to even keep the ball in play and for the Tevez challenge, we still had 3 defenders in our 18 yard box and Reina. It's not that difficult to understand, is it?
You're the only person i've seen that has compared what Reina done with Vidic's challenge so either you're the one that's totally one sided and biased or you're just clueless.
You're the only person i've seen that has compared what Reina done with Vidic's challenge so either you're the one that's totally one sided and biased or you're just clueless.
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he's constantly labled a diver and I can't for the life of me understand why. I can name one occasion he did it, one, no more. he's one of the few players I can name who in the box slipped over, literally just slipped jumped straight back up and tackled and won the ball, then was given a yellow for diving. Despite the fact he didn't appeal and instantly got on with play.
I can't name a single player who hasn't dived once, even keepers jump into people then flail their arms around like morons when they force contact and go to ground at corners.
But that Pires who I really can only think of a single dive, who most certainly didn't do it game after game after game, could possibly get mentioned in the same sentence as Torres, Gerrard, Ronaldo and the other usually mentioned people I don't know. For me Gerrard is the worst as he actively runs around causing contact and throwing himself at people quite literally(that penalty in was it the CL group stage was simply one of the most pathetic things I've seen in football). Even Ronaldo gets hacked SO much when he doesn't try to dive that I can understand the frustration at lack of decisions, I don't like it but someone whose chronically hacked down is more understandable than Gerrards attempts.
Rooney is a crap diver, as in his ability to dive is poor, he's a semi frequent diver though I haven't noticed much in quite a while now, I wouldn't put him in the other group either.
AS for Adebayor and people defending him, I don't think he's played well in more than a couple games this year. Even the first Blackburn game we got the lead and had sealed the game before he came on, even then his hattrick was a penalty and certainly one goal was offside, I think the other might have been aswell. fluke does not equal talent.
are you for real or is youre iq less than that of the average marshmallow ?
I was in all of the above referring to this
in which YOu said
Vidic's challenge didn't affect the outcome of the game as we were already ahead and fortuanely scored from the resulting free-kick but had the score been different, then Vidic's challenge may have prevented us from winning the game. That, imo, is worse than what Ronaldo got sent off for earlier in the season and should receive a bigger punishment.
in that regard what I was trying to get across which at least one other poster managed to comprehend was that the two incidences i.e cara and reina could have been deemed to have "affected the outcome of the game" and "may have prevented us from winning the game"
what I was getting at is that its sometimes not as simple as the chakllenge that vidic did which undeniably was a red card, hwoever if you are going down the route that a decision could have effected the outcome of the game and prevented us winning then the two incidences i have said would have needed to be looked at in the same light, as they undeniably could have prevented us winning the game.
but I am also not talking just in terms of the liverpool man utd game but also the wider argument you started while discussing incidents which could effect the outcome of any game.
thought that might have been a decent discussion to have however you in yer bias and inflammatory comments have pretty much made that nigh on impossible and pretty much cememneted the reason why i dont really bother with the SA anymore, as probably a lot of others have.
Caporegime
I can understand someone criticising a player when he's played poorly but to criticise a player and try and discredit him when he's scored a hattrick shows how utterly pathetic your support of Arsenal is. Really hope you're not a season ticket holder.
As i said, by your logic every tackle must be denying a goalscoring opportunity or directly effected the game then. Not even the most bias Utd fan could suggest that either incident was a clear goalscoring opportunity so im not sure why you're bringing them up.
As above. I thought it was pretty clear that we were only discussing clear goalscoring opportunities which imo, (and seemingly everybody else's other than you) Park's and Tevez's weren't so i still have no idea how or why you brought those two up and still have no idea how 'by my logic' Reina or Carra's challenge effected the outcome of the game.
**** me. All that for saying that had the outcome of the game been different peoples (obviously not Mancs or Hartlepool fans) views on the ban may have been different
edit: And btw, as you don't post much on here you may want to know that Frank understanding you isn't always a good thing
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Soldato
You know what, with the way some of our fans are it wouldn't surprise me.
30 goals in a season is a great fluke.
Caporegime
Indeed. All of them offside or mis-hits IIRC.
Oof
Been playing pretty poorly up till the last 10 minutes, we've shown we can create chances we just need to get our wide players involved as in the middle we're a bit lacking. Diaby has been shocking. Serious fluke on their goal too, was going nowhere until it deflected. Hull keeper has been time wasting since the 17th minute!
As i said, by your logic every tackle must be denying a goalscoring opportunity or directly effected the game then. Not even the most bias Utd fan could suggest that either incident was a clear goalscoring opportunity so im not sure why you're bringing them up.
As above. I thought it was pretty clear that we were only discussing clear goalscoring opportunities which imo, (and seemingly everybody else's other than you) Park's and Tevez's weren't so i still have no idea how or why you brought those two up and still have no idea how 'by my logic' Reina or Carra's challenge effected the outcome of the game.
**** me. All that for saying that had the outcome of the game been different peoples (obviously not Mancs or Hartlepool fans) views on the ban may have been different
edit: And btw, as you don't post much on here you may want to know that Frank understanding you isn't always a good thing
how do you define a cgo then baz ?
goalkepper out of position winger out on the left byline having passed the keeper and only needs to cross it ?
or is it a simple either the player fouled has t be able to score from where he is ?
and as we were not discussing csos i was discussing your presumptions on game changing moments all off my points are relevant, as i said i was not either talking specifically about the game at the weekend but also football in general on the areas YOU defined.
and as for not posting here please, if you acttually knew anything about me, then well ive been posting here since prior to the big nuke, which im guessing you have no idea what it is ?
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THats just stupid, what you just said its impossible to score unless you're playing well, its impossible to play badly and score and that you don't remotely understand football.
His hattrick was 2 tapins, and a penalty he had NO HAND IN WINNING.
So he tapped the ball into the net 3 times, he didn't do anything, he didn't make those chances, get over yourself.
AS for utterly pathetic support, considering the large majority of Arsenal fans on this forum constantly have a go at our better players and mindlessly support players like Adebayor who are crap every single week without fail, I'm quite happy with the way I support Arsenal. That is defend every player who gets no end of crap from the fans completely undeservedly, and don't support the players who make no effort to do anything in games like Ade.
AS for Arsenal tonight, we've been woeful, the one chance Walcott had was again when he was in the box and the ball was played in behind the defence, on the wing he really has done nothing. He gets the ball and he simply won't run at the left back. He's a striker and a poor winger. Diaby has done nothing but give the ball away and Song defensively has been appalling but far better than Diaby offensively. Vela/RVP look poor because they are getting awful balls from the central midfield who with Diaby the "playmaker" are attacking at a snails pace mostly through the middle.
Diaby off at the very least, THeo probably too maybe even Song.
How we haven't stuck with the same team as against Blackburn I don't know, we have a chance to build on a good performance so he changes the team largely and we have been utterly crap. Eboue plays well, gets on the bench again, Nasri was superb, on the bench again.
It really is hilarious that if anyone has a stand out superb game they'll almost certainly be dropped for the next game.
Considering 4th is still no where near certain, the CL final is a laughable target this is our last hope for silverware this year and we've sent out a weakend team for no apparent reason.
And they laughed at me for betting a fiver on Hull
You questioned my post where i was discussing players denying clear goalscoring opportunities and i made that even clearer for you in my next post too.
I was talking specifically about posting in SA recently. Sorry i should have known i needed to make that clearer.
I can't be bothered with the rest of your post as you're the only person that seems to think Reina (and Carra?) denied clear goalscoring opportunites and then have the cheek to say im being bias by saying they didn't.
