Weekend Football **SPOILERS** 14-16 March

[B1gbeard]

Bendtner missed a few sitters and was getting a fair bit of stick, with the predictable chants for RvP to come on. He gets in good positions but his first touch and finishing are not good enough for a top 4 side. It got to the point where I was literally laughing out loud as he scuffed another shot or blazed it over the bar, what a joke. Despite what the press may have you believe, Eboue got a lot of support when he came on and scored.

He actually played pretty well and got into some good positions. As a striker though its all about the goals and if we had of been drawing the game then its a big problem. A couple of his chances were also quickly closed down by defenders. From where I was as well he got a good reception when he came off as opposed to some of the press stating we were cheering because he was going off.

Nasri and more recently Arshavin have injected a much needed boost to our creativity with Wally and Fab missing. A lot of what we have done recently has revolved around them and both look as though they will become big players for us. Even at this early stage its obvious that Arshavin is some way above the players we have had replacing our sicknotes.

Everton are looking a more likely danger for 4th as Villa have been riding the luck for a couple of months now and have been in steady decline. I'd hope we would kick on now and secure top 4 in the next 3-4 games. No buttock clenching in the last couple of games please Arsene.

 

[Tummy]

A red card is the heaviest punishment the referee can give to a player. The offender must leave the field at once, and he may well be banned for at least one further match. One he is gone, he cannot be replaced by a substitute; his team must continue with one less man. In the English Premier League there is an automatic three-match ban, although players can appeal against this.

A straight red is a 3 match ban, regardless of the offense.
The length of the ban can be lengthened or shortened depending on the governing body in this case FA.

I was also under the impression the FA can not change a card, so if a player is booked in a game or not booked for a offense and the official admits to seeing it in his post match that they can not change the decision. They can however charge the player with another offense.

 

[Weebull]

Did you get that from Wikipedia?

Given that Vidic is only missing two games, I think we can safely agree that a straight red obviously isn't an automatic three-match ban, can't we?

 

[Ripper]

Violent conduct, 3 game ban.

Normal last man pull the guy down stuff and deny a goal-scoring opportunity, 1 game ban.

It's always been like that.

 

[Shamikebab]

Would be incredibly harsh to have a 3 game ban for what he did.

 

[Naan_H]

Would be incredibly harsh to have a 3 game ban for what he did.

Why? gerrard was too good for him, and got past him. It was a cynical foul and is close to cheating cos his control was poor; i think it should be a 3 match ban. Good honest football is what we need, this type of play should be stamped out. How many times did he try to bring torres down with a rugby-like tackle - loads of times. His hands were always on gerrard. He should have gone the first time, but the way the rules are you are allowed to do it and get a yellow card, and basically get away with it.

Even pedersen type dives and gerrards dives should be punished in a similar manner. And yes i am a liverpool supporter too. Cheating = red cards.

Just my 2p and i dont exxpect many to agree with it

 

[drunkenmaster]

Why? gerrard was too good for him, and got past him. It was a cynical foul and is close to cheating cos his control was poor; i think it should be a 3 match ban. Good honest football is what we need, this type of play should be stamped out. How many times did he try to bring torres down with a rugby-like tackle - loads of times. His hands were always on gerrard. He should have gone the first time, but the way the rules are you are allowed to do it and get a yellow card, and basically get away with it.

Even pedersen type dives and gerrards dives should be punished in a similar manner. And yes i am a liverpool supporter too. Cheating = red cards.

Just my 2p and i dont exxpect many to agree with it

thats funny considering Gerrard clearly had his hand hooked around Vidic to make certain of the foul anyway, not to mention Vidic isn't a know cheating diver, while Gerrard might be the worst diver in the league, not talking volume of dives but literally he's really crap at them, how he gets decisions I don't know. ANyway, to bring up good honest football while ignoring the fact Gerrard played for the foul in the first place.

Pederson's, I'm not saying it is but its just so bizarre, he's so far away from Sanga and didn't give the usual completely ridiculous asking for a penalty. I'm wondering if maybe his other foot got caught in the turf slightly, felt like a slight nick on his foot which sent him down. It just seemed odd for a dive.

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

Beginning to think you're just a troll.

 

[BaZ87]

People have just got to learn to ignore him. I find it easy tbh.

 

[Shamikebab]

Why? gerrard was too good for him, and got past him. It was a cynical foul and is close to cheating cos his control was poor; i think it should be a 3 match ban. Good honest football is what we need, this type of play should be stamped out. How many times did he try to bring torres down with a rugby-like tackle - loads of times. His hands were always on gerrard. He should have gone the first time, but the way the rules are you are allowed to do it and get a yellow card, and basically get away with it.

Even pedersen type dives and gerrards dives should be punished in a similar manner. And yes i am a liverpool supporter too. Cheating = red cards.

Just my 2p and i dont exxpect many to agree with it

Where do I even start...

 

[memphisto]

cant believe b people are wanting a 3 match ban for vidic ? was it a definite sending off yes, was it malicous or viiolent in anyway then no.

if you think he should have got a 3 match ban for that tackle then im sorry but reina would have deserved the same for cynically bringing down park.


however i think both decisions were correct and a one match ban for vidic plus an additional for a second bookable is correct.


i dont post in here much anymroe but fair play to the pool you outplayed us from the beggining and much deserved your win.


however we'll still win the league

 

[Pigeon_Killer]

People have just got to learn to ignore him. I find it easy tbh.

Unfortunately the ignore function doesn't work when you're logged out

 

[Furton]

People have just got to learn to ignore him. I find it easy tbh.

But he needs correcting, I need to ensure that other people don't think all Arsenal fans think like him

 

[BaZ87]

.....

Firstly Reina's foul was in no way the same as Vidic's

Reina went to get the ball, saw he wasn't going to get it and tried to pull out of the challenge but couldn't avoid contact. Vidic saw he wasn't getting the ball and pulled Gerrard down intentionally.

As for 3 match bans for what Vidic done, it's a tricky one. Clearly pulling a player down like that is no way comparable to a 2 footed lunge and therefore shouldn't receive the same punishment but equally it shouldn't receive the same punishment as a player picking up 2 yellows (and a 1 match ban) for doing practically nothing (e.g. 1 miss timed tackle and a bit of discent at a poor decision). A 2 match ban would be more appropriate imo.

BTW, what do you mean 'second bookable'? It was a straight red.

edit: You're talking about the additional game as it's his 2nd red this season?

 

[One More Solo]

Anything more than a match ban for an offense like that would be totally disproportionate- when there is no malice involved there is no need for more than that.

 

[BaZ87]

I'd imagine under different circumstances, challenges like Vidic's would receive different reactions in regards to the punishment.

Vidic's challenge didn't affect the outcome of the game as we were already ahead and fortuanely scored from the resulting free-kick but had the score been different, then Vidic's challenge may have prevented us from winning the game. That, imo, is worse than what Ronaldo got sent off for earlier in the season and should receive a bigger punishment.

edit: A 1 match ban for a challenge that could directly affect the result of a game is hardly a deterrent.

 

[Owenb]

I'd imagine under different circumstances, challenges like Vidic's would receive different reactions in regards to the punishment.

Vidic's challenge didn't affect the outcome of the game as we were already ahead and fortuanely scored from the resulting free-kick but had the score been different, then Vidic's challenge may have prevented us from winning the game. That, imo, is worse than what Ronaldo got sent off for earlier in the season and should receive a bigger punishment.

edit: A 1 match ban for a challenge that could directly affect the result of a game is hardly a deterrent.

I would like to see the rules changed so that a penalty could have been awarded against vidic. Compared the UTD penalty to the vidic foul- park was never getting the ball but he was fouled so it's a pen even though it was never going to be a goal. OTOH liverpool only get a freekick for what was likely to be a serious goal chance.

But that's just me, and I have a lot of wacky idea's

 

[Greenlizard0]

Eboue's been given a new contract. Oh ****'s sake.

 

[Caseh]

I dont think there is a problem with that. There are much worse players at the club. IE: Song, Bender. And denilson i guess, but i think that might just be because i dislike him.

 

[Shamikebab]

Seems United reserves were out to make a point, beating Rochdale 4-1 in the cup Fabio got a hat trick despite missing a penalty, Welbeck got the other one.