Weekend Football SPOILERS 14-16 March

KaneStatton · 17 Mar 2009 at 03:22

Don't get the hate for Song he's improving constantly,
Denilson just seems to not be improving and needs to be released and Bendtner while a terrible finisher will hopefully come good as he creates an awful lot.

memphisto · 17 Mar 2009 at 07:06

BaZ87 said:
I'd imagine under different circumstances, challenges like Vidic's would receive different reactions in regards to the punishment.

Vidic's challenge didn't affect the outcome of the game as we were already ahead and fortuanely scored from the resulting free-kick but had the score been different, then Vidic's challenge may have prevented us from winning the game. That, imo, is worse than what Ronaldo got sent off for earlier in the season and should receive a bigger punishment.

edit: A 1 match ban for a challenge that could directly affect the result of a game is hardly a deterrent.

in which case then in my view the reina incident and a resulting sending off could have directly effected the game, in my view it was a clear goalscoring opportunity although it may not have been park who scored it as it were.

also what about what carragher did ? he was turned, and i cant remember who the man utd player was but he purposely brought him down as it would have led to a goalscoring opportunity, so by your logic he should have been sent off as well as reina as both decisions clearly and directly would have affected the outcome of the game.

FrankJH · 17 Mar 2009 at 07:17

memphisto said:
in which case then in my view the reina incident and a resulting sending off could have directly effected the game, in my view it was a clear goalscoring opportunity although it may not have been park who scored it as it were.

also what about what carragher did ? he was turned, and i cant remember who the man utd player was but he purposely brought him down as it would have led to a goalscoring opportunity, so by your logic he should have been sent off as well as reina as both decisions clearly and directly would have affected the outcome of the game.

Good point - although Reina did come out of his goal and was well wide of the post when the connection with Park was made

In that kind of incident - isnt it only a "clear goal scoring opportunity" if its the person with the ball who can score? IE is it still a CGSO if Reina had taken Park down right on the byline, with Rooney waiting for the cut back right in front of goal? Still a penalty undoubtedly - but a sending off ...... not sure

Tummy · 17 Mar 2009 at 10:42

Weebull said:
Did you get that from Wikipedia?

Given that Vidic is only missing two games, I think we can safely agree that a straight red obviously isn't an automatic three-match ban, can't we?

Read my post again.

Viper² · 17 Mar 2009 at 11:44

Violent conduct is 3, two yellows is usually 1, second red in the PL is 2 gams iirc.

BaZ87 · 17 Mar 2009 at 11:50

memphisto said:
in which case then in my view the reina incident and a resulting sending off could have directly effected the game, in my view it was a clear goalscoring opportunity although it may not have been park who scored it as it were.

also what about what carragher did ? he was turned, and i cant remember who the man utd player was but he purposely brought him down as it would have led to a goalscoring opportunity, so by your logic he should have been sent off as well as reina as both decisions clearly and directly would have affected the outcome of the game.

I should have been more specific. The rule regards denying a clear goalscoring opportunity. If you think Reina's foul on Park or Carra's on Tevez denied a clear goalscoring opportunity then you are deluded.

By your logic any foul on the pitch is denying a goalscoring opportunity.

bloodline76 · 17 Mar 2009 at 12:07

KaneStatton said:
Bendtner while a terrible finisher will hopefully come good as he creates an awful lot.

I dont think he is a terrible finisher I just think he needs the games. I wouldnt have dropped him after he scored two the other week. He has admitted himself that he is a confidence player.

He might not have had the best day against blackburn but what did impress me was the amount of times he got into good positions. Plus people forget that he is still young. He will come good, we just have to grit our teeth a little longer with some misses.

Furton · 17 Mar 2009 at 12:59

Eboue's a good utility player to have, nothing more. It's about time we built up some squad strength.

JAzz · 17 Mar 2009 at 13:11

KaneStatton said:
Bendtner while a terrible finisher will hopefully come good as he creates an awful lot.

Just like with Adebayor he needs to get a few goals under his belt. Look at Adebayor a couple seasons ago, couldn't score to save his life but as soon as the goals start coming confidence picks up and scoring becomes easier. Bendtner plays under a lot of pressure at Ashburton Grove so once the goals start coming he will find it easier. Just having a poor run in that respect but I think he has a lot to offer. He is only 21 you know, for a normal footballer they are nowhere near their peak at that age.

NokkonWud · 17 Mar 2009 at 13:36

drunkenmaster said:
thats funny considering Gerrard clearly had his hand hooked around Vidic to make certain of the foul anyway, not to mention Vidic isn't a know cheating diver, while Gerrard might be the worst diver in the league, not talking volume of dives but literally he's really crap at them, how he gets decisions I don't know. ANyway, to bring up good honest football while ignoring the fact Gerrard played for the foul in the first place.

Nope, worst diver is Wayne Rooney. The boy cannot dive, you can spot them a mile off, they're shocking. The worst repeat offender of diving for me is Torres.

bloodline76 · 17 Mar 2009 at 13:40

JAzz said:
Just like with Adebayor he needs to get a few goals under his belt. Look at Adebayor a couple seasons ago, couldn't score to save his life but as soon as the goals start coming confidence picks up and scoring becomes easier. Bendtner plays under a lot of pressure at Ashburton Grove so once the goals start coming he will find it easier. Just having a poor run in that respect but I think he has a lot to offer. He is only 21 you know, for a normal footballer they are nowhere near their peak at that age.

Yeah and just look at Ade now lol

Tummy · 17 Mar 2009 at 14:09

drunkenmaster said:
thats funny considering Gerrard clearly had his hand hooked around Vidic to make certain of the foul anyway, not to mention Vidic isn't a know cheating diver, while Gerrard might be the worst diver in the league, not talking volume of dives but literally he's really crap at them, how he gets decisions I don't know. ANyway, to bring up good honest football while ignoring the fact Gerrard played for the foul in the first place.

Pederson's, I'm not saying it is but its just so bizarre, he's so far away from Sanga and didn't give the usual completely ridiculous asking for a penalty. I'm wondering if maybe his other foot got caught in the turf slightly, felt like a slight nick on his foot which sent him down. It just seemed odd for a dive.

NokkonWud said:
Nope, worst diver is Wayne Rooney. The boy cannot dive, you can spot them a mile off, they're shocking. The worst repeat offender of diving for me is Torres.

Every player dives, get over it.
Gerrard does it, what annoys me is that he comes out saying divers are spoiling the game, and then is blatantly diving in games.
Rooney has dived, Ronaldo, Pederson, Pires... ect ect

Vidic isn't seen to dive as it's not part of his game, he doesn't have to try and win freekick's or penalty's, you can't compare a Defender with Forward.

JAzz · 17 Mar 2009 at 14:22

bloodline76 said:
Yeah and just look at Ade now lol

His current bad form is mostly to do with how poor our team is general, our creative play bar the last few games has appalling this season and Adebayor has suffered as a result. He would have put away a few this Saturday against Blackburn though

Shamikebab · 17 Mar 2009 at 14:27

JAzz said:
His current bad form is mostly to do with how poor our team is general, our creative play bar the last few games has appalling this season and Adebayor has suffered as a result. He would have put away a few this Saturday against Blackburn though

I can hear drunkenmaster preparing the reply right now...

NokkonWud · 17 Mar 2009 at 15:01

Tummy said:
Vidic isn't seen to dive as it's not part of his game, he doesn't have to try and win freekick's or penalty's, you can't compare a Defender with Forward.

Not every player dives. I wasn't criticising that anyway, nor did I once mention that, so get off your high horse. What I said was that Torres is the one consistently on the floor and Rooney is the one who is consistently abysmal at conning referees.

Tummy · 17 Mar 2009 at 15:26

NokkonWud said:
Not every player dives. I wasn't criticising that anyway, nor did I once mention that, so get off your high horse. What I said was that Torres is the one consistently on the floor and Rooney is the one who is consistently abysmal at conning referees.

I'm not on my high horse, I just don't think you can defend that players don't dive.
They do, Vidic would go down easily if he had a forward biting at his back and the ball was heading out for a corner, he'd dive to try and get the free kick. This happens in a lot of games, this isn't something that the players do themselves, this is something they are told to do.

Torres is big, fast, strong and had good technical ability, as does Rooney.
They both dive, when the time calls for it, and when the time calls for it, Torres may be better at getting a foul in his favor then Rooney.

This wasn't directed at you, just a more general rant, I'm fed up of people complaining and singling out players for diving, some do it more often then others, but they all do it.

Pigeon_Killer · 17 Mar 2009 at 15:29

^ Agree. The way some people go on you'd think it was only Ronaldo and Gerrard that ever dive.

Gooner14 · 17 Mar 2009 at 15:32

I still can't believe Pires gets his name mentioned in the same breath as Premier League players when he last played in England 3 years ago.

CliffyG · 17 Mar 2009 at 15:35

And if i remember correctly it was only once he dived against Portsmouth that he got labelled a serial diver even though he didn't actually do it that much compare to others.

Tummy · 17 Mar 2009 at 15:36

Gooner14 said:
I still can't believe Pires gets his name mentioned in the same breath as Premier League players when he last played in England 3 years ago.

Because he dived, and was the only player I could think of at the time ! haha my mind went blank.

Weekend Football **SPOILERS** 14-16 March

Weekend Football SPOILERS 14-16 March