Wegovy...

Sinbad2000 said:
I know a couple of people on it and it's cut their cravings/appetite dramatically, which is what I need. I can lose weight by cutting out carbs but the problem is I'm some kind of carb addict and it's _really_ easy to fall off that wagon, even unknowingly and it's an absolute biyatch to get past the cravings that get reignited when that happens.
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I lost a ton of weight throughout Covid 18 months WFH, didn't even realise but all that **** comfort food in office lunch break mustn't have helped prior.

The final "push", 5kg has been a nightmare, stubbornly won't come off without near starving and as you say getting back in the game is difficult with craving. So I fluctuate between 72-75 endlessly, when I just want to hit 70. Grrr.
 
Exercise as a means of weight loss generally isn’t as effective as people think.

If you’ve led a sedentary lifestyle for 10 years, then you suddenly start running, or going to 4x aerobics classes per week - you’ll lose a shedload of weight very quickly.

The problem is, as you get fitter and build muscle, your metabolism, blood pressure, thyroid and other things change dramatically, so the weight loss tends to grind to a halt, and you end up stuck on a plateau.

Turns out, our bodies and our ancestors bodies have evolved over millions of years, to hold on to as much fat as possible, as before the advent of McDonald’s along with 3 for 1 chocolate bar deals, it was a big survival advantage, where big rich meals were hard to come by, which is no longer the case.

Exercise is tremendously good for you physically and mentally, but relying on it for weight loss generally ends in failure.

It really all does hinge on diet.
 
Ali195 said:
So I fluctuate between 72-75 endlessly, when I just want to hit 70.
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have you somehow confirmed what your body fat level is , to know you are not just changing muscle mass -
those online bmi calculators based on pinching arm/thigh/waist seem pretty variable ... mri/scan would be good but cost the earth - anyone ?

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Hadn't appreciated Musk is an exponent of wegovy/similar - thought he had some scientific nouse
... what if the not understood cardiovascular benefits present an unexpected side-effect down the line if you stop.
 
throwing the baby out ... TFL/khan banning cheese (a junk food) advertising on the tube

www.thetimes.co.uk

Cheese ad ban on Tube causes a stink

An advert featuring artisan cheeses has been banned by London’s transport network because they are deemed too “unhealthy”.Transport for London (TfL) blocked the
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An advert featuring artisan cheeses has been banned by London’s transport network because they are deemed too “unhealthy”.

Transport for London (TfL) blocked the ads in August, saying they did not comply with its advertising policy, which it said “uses the Food Standards Agency’s model to define foods that are high in fat, sugar and salt”.

The posters promoting Cheese Geek, which is backed by Steven Bartlett, an entrepreneur who appears on the BBC show Dragons’ Den, were to be displayed on the Underground and on the side of London buses as part of a campaign by the flexible office provider Workspace.

Junk food advertising has been banned on the TfL network since February 2019 as part of measures to help tackle child obesity. Adverts that directly feature food and drink considered to be high in fat, sugar and salt are no longer allowed.
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not sure this cheese was in the financial reach of the average tuber, nonetheless, if children were eating pieces of cheese rather than chocolate/fizzy drinks/vaping ....
e: they don't seem to have released the add they were going to use
 
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jpaul said:
not sure this cheese was in the financial reach of the average tuber, nonetheless, if children were eating pieces of cheese rather than chocolate/fizzy drinks/vaping ....
e: they don't seem to have released the add they were going to use
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It's hilarious, I mean - we've been farming cattle and making cheese for around 7000 years, suddenly we're all so unstable that we can't handle an advert for cheese.

Yet - apparently, it's still fine to advertise Just Eat, and Deliveroo.

Clown government, clown politicians, country is in such a stupid state, it's sad.
 
I said similar in past but we had public service announcements daily for covid saying do this and do that, yet for some reason our government and others don't seem to push to control the spiraling obesity crisis.

Look at any old photos from 50+ years ago and you don't see gigantic people. Food industries are big business and likely have big sway with government, it's the only reason I can see why there aren't strict regulations in place against food being designed with addiction in mind.

I imagine the pharmaceutical industry also actively encourage food industry to churn out crap knowing they can market drugs that claim to fix the damage.

I'm guilty of eating loads of crap myself but I'm able to offset it with exercise.

It's only going to get worse as more and more people continue to work from home with a kitchen at arms length.

Every single educated adult on the planet should know being big isn't healthy. They might find it attractive (men often like big women, fair enough) but they are purposely lying if they claim there is any benefit to being overweight.

As for the OP. Good luck with sorting yourself out. Hope it works for you.
 
Hedge said:
I said similar in past but we had public service announcements daily for covid saying do this and do that, yet for some reason our government and others don't seem to push to control the spiraling obesity crisis.
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I think that obesity is just a can that can be kicked down the road, again and again and again - it'll always be somebody elses problem to solve, and always somebody else to blame, neither is it an easy problem to understand.
 
Human body is a very efficient machine, eat for energy , work use energy, not enough energy it burns sugar/protein/fat, too much energy it restore and hides it for later.

Running is one of the most dangerous form of exercise for fat people or more politically correct morbidity obese, obese, overweight as their knees, ankles, joints are not at the level to support the weight, yes they would need to start exercise but going for a run without any plans will just end up destroying motivation or worse, sustaining injuries.

Medicine is not a cure but it will help to move someone from being a danger to themselves starting exercise to a point where they can restore pride of some sort at starting a heathy lifestyle.

What we need to do is to invest money at heathy lifestyle education and creating meaningful jobs, the more educated the population the less we will have social problems. I don't mean educate people to "eat less you will loose weight" as everyone knows that, it has to be a more holistic approach to life. Medication like Wegovy should be available to NHS patients but it needs to be prescribe as part of a weight management plan and it is happening at most surgeries that I know. It is not and should not be prescribed as a designer drug/lifestyle drug, it should be a weight management plan conjunction with full diet plan and exercise plan with review of progress weekly for at least 6-12 months.
 
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