Wegovy...

Since cost of living we have cut out all processed food and no more take aways.

I don't have any real vices (Stopped smoking 10+ years ago and only drink a couple of times a year) but I was a huge sugar nut.

I was never fat 93KG @ 6ft3 but I have lost 5KG in the last year alone just from cutting out all the take outs and most importantly sugar.
 
Parsley said:
Another dislike I have is the "fat is healthy" crowd. Utter nonsense.
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Yeah that seems utterly stupid to me.

"Big is beautiful" etc. It's more and more common on TV adverts. Get a super-plus-plus sized model to show off their bodies wearing just their undies. Or doing high-kicks.

It's bizarro, but I guess it sells.
 
FoxEye said:
I have no doubt that many people need support to lose weight. Just drugs might not be the best support.

Another problem is there is a lot of "support" available that is just a cynical attempt to make money from people trying to lose weight. And a lot of these support groups have been found to be totally ineffective, whist costing a decent chunk o' cash.
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To me it seems like they push one or two good examples of someone doing well, but you have a lot of people in some sort of limbo, if they do too well they won't be there that long after all. Also, once someone loses that support group, I imagine it's very easy to go back to bad habits without being coerced / bullied into behaving anymore, no longer buying their products that don't really teach how to eat correctly with normal food. I have no doubt it works for some, but it does seem to be an industry built on taking money from vulnerable people.
 
FoxEye said:
Yeah that seems utterly stupid to me.

"Big is beautiful" etc. It's more and more common on TV adverts. Get a super-plus-plus sized model to show off their bodies wearing just their undies. Or doing high-kicks.

It's bizarro, but I guess it sells.
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I don't really care about the "Big is beautiful" side of it. Some people will find it beautiful. It's the promoting it as healthy I don't have time for, and if you don't agree that adding a list of future medical complications to your life is anything other than healthy, you're a fat shamer. I think it's a form of denial and that they need help, but some people just don't want it.

If someone wants to be that way, it's their choice, but pushing it onto others to normalise it, increase the chance of other people not helping themselves, or considering it "fine" is wrong.
 
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fez said:
Thats not true. You won't have a six pack and you won't be super healthy but burning 1000 calories on a bike ride will 100% have an impact on your weight over time. The issue is when people do 20 minutes of exercise and then eat an extra 500 calories after burning 200.
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Ok, in the real world.....

People in calorie surplus to the extent that they are obese and increasing weight steadily are not doing 1000 calorie bike rides on a daily basis. Of course there are always outliers.

The prescription costs me more than i would like it to, i'm fortunate and can buy it privately, I figured it was for my own health and my god do I feel a lot better for it apart from the fatigue which means i go to bed earlier, that could be age and just being busy at work. I was diagnosed with early osteoarthritis in my left knee, weight loss has help lower the pain to almost nothing. Far better than chewing down ibuprofen that nearly killed my mate last year from many years of use.

My training has elevated to a new level and i'm more engaged with it.

There's a lot of psychological stuff going on in peoples heads and its grossly unfair to label obese people as simply lazy.
I piled the extra pounds on stress eating during a pretty horrendous period in 2021 that i have discussed previously, it just continued from there, downward cycle unfortunately, i was always someone that cleared my plate and the wife's, I hated to see waste and was drilled into me from childhood "CLEAR YOUR PLATE".

Everyones situation is different and if this helps lower the burden on the NHS I think its a worthwhile drug.

I'm an open book, ask me anything lol
 
Yea apparently it can be, I had one bout of bad indigestion for a few days about 2 months in, but I had too much beer at the football and that's something you have to watch as well as fatty/oily foods.
Parsley said:
Well done, and I'm glad you're seeing the benefits! Is fatigue a potential side effect?
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Chuk_Chuk said:
I’m pretty certain sugar and maybe fat lights up a certain part of the reward system in the brain the causes people to desire it due to it being scarce in nature.
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It's been shown that hyper processed food with just the right ratio of fat:sugar has very similar effects on the brain to hard drugs in terms of lighting up the reward centers IIRC
 
Think that harshness is changing most people have overweight folks in their families, even diabetics, they also see the lack of government legislation to restrict sales of fast/crap food
(should be taxing that and subsidising better quality food, not just collecting party funds & dividends from them)
and they see income inequality preventing poorer folks make better food choices (Keirs not made any promises though another **** )


Some poor families eat poorly because no one knows how to cook properly from scratch, some eat like that solely for convenience and price etc
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Large dietary proportion of hyperprocessed for many families ... its's the only efficient option if you have a variety of dietary needs,
previously families ate the same thing and one meal was cooked, now, lack of food education in infancy, even social media, must be contributing to those needs.


Vegan diet is still an expensive option too - don't know how JohnO addresses that ... if you need 60g of protein a day - what do you buy.
 
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It's been shown that hyper processed food with just the right ratio of fat:sugar has very similar effects on the brain to hard drugs in terms of lighting up the reward centers IIRC
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It's also been shown that fruits can trigger a dopamine and serotonin release, and fruits are full of naturally occurring sugars. Yet you never see fatties shovelling bowl after bowl after bowl of strawberries down their pieholes.
 
Malevolence said:
It's also been shown that fruits can trigger a dopamine and serotonin release, and fruits are full of naturally occurring sugars. Yet you never see fatties shovelling bowl after bowl after bowl of strawberries down their pieholes.
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Fruit also isn't full of protein, generally low in fats, so it isn't as satisfying, depending on the fruit. Maybe that's in terms of texture, taste or simply feeling "full". Even if it's only temporarily from the processed stuff that doesn't really fill you up either. Some people do actually make the mistake of trying to get healthier by eating way too much fruit and veg. Maybe they just find it boring? Maybe they grew up without a lot of it in their diets so they just aren't attracted to it? Changing peoples minds can be difficult. My Dad continues to this day, to refuse to eat almost anything that is green on his plate. I will never understand why. Different folks, different strokes.
 
Parsley said:
Fruit also isn't full of protein, generally low in fats, so it isn't as satisfying, depending on the fruit. Maybe that's in terms of texture, taste or simply feeling "full". Even if it's only temporarily from the processed stuff that doesn't really fill you up either. Some people do actually make the mistake of trying to get healthier by eating way too much fruit and veg. Maybe they just find it boring? Maybe they grew up without a lot of it in their diets so they just aren't attracted to it? Changing peoples minds can be difficult. My Dad continues to this day, to refuse to eat almost anything that is green on his plate. I will never understand why. Different folks, different strokes.
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I pity the man who has not/cannot enjoy a Brussel sprout. Truly the food of the gods.

Thankfully I grew up with a mother who cooked everything from scratch. Nothing processed. We all had fresh fruit and veg, every day. And we were stony broke, to boot. Real hand-to-mouth family. But buying fresh ingredients and making your own meals is and always has been cheaper than ready meals. Unless you garnish everything with caviar, I guess.
 
FoxEye said:
I pity the man who has not/cannot enjoy a Brussel sprout. Truly the food of the gods.

Thankfully I grew up with a mother who cooked everything from scratch. Nothing processed. We all had fresh fruit and veg, every day. And we were stony broke, to boot. Real hand-to-mouth family. But buying fresh ingredients and making your own meals is and always has been cheaper than ready meals. Unless you garnish everything with caviar, I guess.
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Completely agree with everything in this post. Grew up the same too, proper working class family and had homecooked meals every day. Being a Stokie, quite often we had lobby - cheap and cheerful and which lasted us 2-3 days.

As for sprouts, have you tried letting them go cold and then squashing a few onto a beef butty w/ horseradish and mustard?
 
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One think i forgot to mention when this thread was around previously (I also don't know if it was mentioned by someone else and I'm not going back to check :D )it is common for people to mistake being thirsty for being hungry.

Keep an eye on your hydration levels (Check your urine colour) and try to ensure you drink water constantly throughout the day. One addition I've added to my routine is ensuring that drink plenty of water (500ml minimum) while eating. I believe food helps your body to absorb and retain water rather than just weeing it all out and I have found that being properly hydrated helps with good bowel movement.

From my experience If you drink a lot of water in one go without food there is a high chance that you will just wee it out and go back to being dehydrated. Hence the need to be constantly drinking a bit throughout the day
 
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Ok, in the real world.....
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The quote was someone saying that exercise doesn't help with obesity. It very much does. I'm not suggesting that people are doing 40km bike rides every day. Even fit and healthy people aren't doing that but exercise is vitally important for weight loss in my opinion. It helps with mental health, gets you out of the house, improves mood, burns calories, gives you a reason to lose weight and eat a better diet.

The issue is that way too many people in this country see exercise as a chore. I don't know if it harks back to disliking sports at school or what but exercise does not equal going to the gym and mindlessly running on a treadmill. I don't exercise for the sake of exercise, I do it because I love it. I love moving. I love climbing, cycling, racquet sports. Basically anything sports related. Make me go to the gym and I would want to blow my brains out.

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People in calorie surplus to the extent that they are obese and increasing weight steadily are not doing 1000 calorie bike rides on a daily basis. Of course there are always outliers.
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Of course they aren't but that wasn't my point. My point was very simply that if you exercise then you burn more calories and it becomes harder to stay in a calorie surplus so it very much helps with weight loss.

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Everyones situation is different and if this helps lower the burden on the NHS I think its a worthwhile drug.

I'm an open book, ask me anything lol
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I think peoples issue with this way of thinking is that more an more as a society we are avoiding the root cause and looking for cheap and easy fixes to problems that require a much more in depth solution starting from a much earlier point. Children are increasingly overweight from an ever younger age. They are being taught awful habits and society is actively saying "being morbidly obese is OK". We promote celebrities who are very overweight and say that you should be happy in your body despite it being horribly unhealthy and leading to early death as well is a poor quality of life.

There is a middle ground where we don't victimise the overweight but we don't normalise it either.
 
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Generally if you can't control your diet to something vaguely sensible you're not going to be banging out 1k cals cardio sessions either.

It's very difficult to out train a bad diet as you'll always be massively on the back foot at least as far as fat loss goes.
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Well, as they say, you can't outrun a bad diet but that relates more to sporting performance than not being overweight. But yes, most people who are overweight are not exercising. You need both. You need a better diet and you need to exercise. The idea that exercise isn't important is silly. Its not just the calories burned that is important. Most people who have sustainable weight loss change their lifestyle and a very useful part of that is exercise and all the benefits it brings.
 
fez said:
I think peoples issue with this way of thinking is that more an more as a society we are avoiding the root cause and looking for cheap and easy fixes to problems that require a much more in depth solution starting from a much earlier point. Children are increasingly overweight from an ever younger age. They are being taught awful habits and society is actively saying "being morbidly obese is OK". We promote celebrities who are very overweight and say that you should be happy in your body despite it being horribly unhealthy and leading to early death as well is a poor quality of life.
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You're talking about a massive socio-economic shift which will take generations.

There's a growing problem now that wont be fixed in the immediacy.
 
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