Weight gain stuff

k.Jacko said:
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Blimey, your'e easily pleased :p

I thought Francis Benfatto looked damned good......for a veggie!

S7yl3s: is the myprotein stuff any good then? I've checked them out before, but never actually bought anything. Whats the taste like for the various flavours? Is it grainy? Is it quality protein?
If so, then your idea with the oats i think is a good one.
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Yeh no complaints here with the protein. The stuff I have is unflavoured so when mixed with milk it just tastes like milk still. It's not grainy and it mixes very well. Really, give the oats a try. they are worth it. Basically to get an idea it's like drinking cold porridge (albeit extremely fine porridge). The taste might be a little strange at first but you learn to love it after a week.

Give it a try, you won't regret it and your wallet will thank you.

EDIT: If anyone is ordering off myprotein for the first time I have a 5% discount referall code i give.
 
Some good advice on here im trying to get "bigger" now as im starting to take shape after 5 months of gym. I use to be in quite good shape before from years of labouring but after being unemployed a while i lost it :p

From advice from a lad down the gym he i have two boiled eggs and toast for brekfast. Then ill have a sandwich or something at lunch. For tea pasta when i can and jacket potatoes with beans. He recommended the eggs but as they are high in protein and the rest is food i like which i believe is pretty good for you anyway and should help??

He did also recommend going to a deli counter and getting some meats few 100gs and making sandwiches from that as its all a good source of protien too :)

I dunno how true all that is exactly but it seems to be working for him so i thought i could give it a go.
 
Its basic advice mate to be honest, it may be ok for you, depends on your size and body shape right now though.
I wouldn't go for 2 eggs every day, your cholesterol levels will rise.
You're taking in quite a lot of heavy carbs so you should gain weight.
I use 'burgen' bread, its a low GI soya and linseed bread, good in the morning, cos its low GI the carbs are released slower than higher GI foods.
Tuna is cheap and a great source of protein.
Red meat is good, it contains creatine, but also more fat than white meat.

Personally, i'd be on the porridge for breakfast with a mix of protein powder in it. Then the 2 eggs for mid morning.
Take some fruit and multivits as well. Vits are needed to aid the assimilation of the foods your consuming. 'B' vits for converting food to energy, 'C' is needed to help the other vits work. A,C,E are antioxidents, to beat the **** outta the free radicals :rolleyes:

What time do you train? This will have a bearing on your diet as well.

It doesn't have to be too scientific dude, but a little knowledge can go a long way.
 
k.Jacko said:
Its basic advice mate to be honest, it may be ok for you, depends on your size and body shape right now though.
I wouldn't go for 2 eggs every day, your cholesterol levels will rise.
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Several studies show that egg yolks raise your good cholesterol and barely raise total cholesterol. Also cholesterol is the foundation for testosterone. No cholesterol, no testosterone. Should be eaten at least once a day if your goal is to increase muscle mass.
k.Jacko said:
You're taking in quite a lot of heavy carbs so you should gain weight.
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Not sure what you mean by 'heavy carbs'?
k.Jacko said:
Tuna is cheap and a great source of protein.
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Now this is the stuff you should be advising people to eat moderately. Far more harzardous as fish contain toxic metals. Especially tinned tuna unfortunately:( Here's a good little run down from another site

The higher in the food chain the more toxic the fish.

If you eat primary feeders such as prawns, sardines, e.t.c toxicity is low.
If you eat secondary feeders such as bass, mackerel. e.t.c toxicity will be ok for 4 or 5 portions a day.
If you eat top end feeders such as tuna and shark/marlin toxicity will be high.....couple of portions a week max.

However heavy metal poisoning is very variable on its effects because of genetics, some people flush them through easily whereas others can collect them in their bodies very quickly.
Green tea is great for cleansing the body of heavy metals.
 
I used weight gain for quite a while when I used to train and never really saw massive weight gain and it was bloody expensive. I find getting into the routine of three steady meals a day helps a lot, what times you eat can also have a positive or negative effect. Your best off doing a little research before going out buying weightgain, it doesn't work straight away anyway so your commited to parting with your dosh before you even find out if it works.
 
Chong Warrior
Not sure why you felt the need to pick my post apart. I was generalising, thats why i said at the end that you don't need to be too scientific about it.

I mentioned not eating too many eggs, because genetics can play a role in cholesterol levels too, and not everyone has a tolerance for consuming that many a day. There are studies for that too, but i'm not interested in confusing anyone with scientific babble, i'm just trying to give out basics which have worked fine for me.

Tuna, i've used it regularly for most of the 16 years that i've been training, its a great source of protein, and i've never suffered from using it, and i'm sure countless others would agree. R5Rich has asked for some pointers, and you're getting too technical mate. I appreciate you may have more scientific knowledge regarding food stuffs than i, but do you read about them or do you actually train and use them? Theory v practice.
Every food you can imagine will have bad points, if you listed them the guy would starve to death for fear of eating something bad.

I'm not trying to compete with anyone as regards knowledge; i posted my advice based on experience that has worked. R5Rich can take it or leave it, but with respect, i think getting too scientific will cloud peoples judgement.
 
Chong Warrior said:
Now this is the stuff you should be advising people to eat moderately. Far more harzardous as fish contain toxic metals. Especially tinned tuna unfortunately:( Here's a good little run down from another site

The higher in the food chain the more toxic the fish.

If you eat primary feeders such as prawns, sardines, e.t.c toxicity is low.
If you eat secondary feeders such as bass, mackerel. e.t.c toxicity will be ok for 4 or 5 portions a day.
If you eat top end feeders such as tuna and shark/marlin toxicity will be high.....couple of portions a week max.

However heavy metal poisoning is very variable on its effects because of genetics, some people flush them through easily whereas others can collect them in their bodies very quickly.
Green tea is great for cleansing the body of heavy metals.
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^^This got me thinking as i eat tuna nearly every day, really enjoy the stuff in fact, so i had a little read up about this.

Quote: "The body has a fixed capacity for mercury storage that's typically maxed-out after one year (anything after that will just get excreted). This is supported by two other studies that have shown that the urinary excretion of mercury can be increased by up to 53% during chronic mercury exposure" LINK

Also, bear in mind that tinned tuna has less mecury levels than fresh tuna.

Personally, i'd be more worried about the Megadosing of vitamins and minerals that certain sites and advertisements seem to encourage.
 
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Chong Warrior said:
Several studies show that egg yolks raise your good cholesterol and barely raise total cholesterol.
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Including a study where people with normal cholesterol were given two whole eggs per day for three months and their cholesterol levels monitored.

The whole eggs are bad thing was based no false assumptions made a very long time ago.

Quality eggs are loaded with vitamins, minerals, omega 3's and the finest protein there is. I can't think of any better food.

As for mercury, apparently chlorella will help rid your body of it though it's not cheap.
 
k.Jacko said:
Chong Warrior
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Nothing personal mate:) but you have multiple statements in your post that I don't think are set in stone, not saying I'm right, you're wrong, I know more than you. It's not about that. As you can see my post has also brought more reactions and points of view, I won't get upset if people disagree with me, if I'm wrong then I've learned something :)

You are misinformed about eggs, would you rather not learn more?

I'm still unsure what you meant by heavy carbs? never heard that before.

Tuna is great, it's very cheap and is high quality. There could be dangers, again would you rather not know?
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^^This got me thinking as i eat tuna nearly every day, really enjoy the stuff in fact, so i had a little read up about this.

Quote: "The body has a fixed capacity for mercury storage that's typically maxed-out after one year (anything after that will just get excreted). This is supported by two other studies that have shown that the urinary excretion of mercury can be increased by up to 53% during chronic mercury exposure" LINK
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That's interesting. I've seriously cut down my intake of tuna as I was eating 2 tins a day for quite a while! I still have a portion of fish everyday but I drink GTE to try and combat the metals and I only eat tuna every other day now. I'll look into this :)
Being able to eat more tuna would be great!!
Goatboy said:
Including a study where people with normal cholesterol were given two whole eggs per day for three months and their cholesterol levels monitored.

The whole eggs are bad thing was based no false assumptions made a very long time ago.

Quality eggs are loaded with vitamins, minerals, omega 3's and the finest protein there is. I can't think of any better food.

As for mercury, apparently chlorella will help rid your body of it though it's not cheap.
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Indeed. Eggs are definatley classed as a "Super Food" in my book :)

Yeah chlorella is good, tastes awful though. I use Green Tea Extract instead.
 
Cheers jacko for replying :D

I dont eat eggs every morning sometimes i cba to do em so i will have porridge but i dont have anything to put in with it so ill look into that :)

I do eat some tuna with jacket potatoes and i eat tuna steaks every now and again too.

Problem i have now is im working for Honda on the production line so i dont have time to eat on my breaks really! Ill have a sandwich at lunch but rest of day i dont have anything. Once my locker is moved tho i can take in my own food and i tend to eat an apple a day and my mixed veg. Ill see if i can take in some raisins or something if i can as i can snack on them whilst at work which shouldnt be too difficult.

I train after work at the minute which is around 4 i get to gym. I start work at 7 and its quite a way so i cant really do it in morning. Last job just two weeks ago i would train first thing in morning when i was on lates (so about 8am) and go at about 3 when on earlys :) Until i start shifts i wont be able to go any earlier in the day.
 
R5Rich said:
Problem i have now is im working for Honda on the production line so i dont have time to eat on my breaks really! Ill have a sandwich at lunch but rest of day i dont have anything. Once my locker is moved tho i can take in my own food and i tend to eat an apple a day and my mixed veg. Ill see if i can take in some raisins or something if i can as i can snack on them whilst at work which shouldnt be too difficult.
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Mixed nuts are really good for snacking on, much better than raisins. High in good fats and protein plus other essential vitamins & minerals depending on the type of nut.

Almonds are especially good for you ;)
 
Chong Warrior:

Its all good mate. although i never intended any of my post to sound 'set in stone' thats why i kind of generalised and said not to be too scientific. I've not made any bold statements regarding eggs really, so i'm not sure why you say i'm 'misinformed'. I simply said i wouldn't eat that many. Everyone is different and its not a categoric truth that eggs are the be all and end all of protein supplementation. I'm all for learning more, as long as we don't go off on too much of a tangent :)
'Heavy carbs' was just my way of saying he's getting plenty of carbs, simple and complex, but not much fibrous carbs. Its not a bodybuilders catchphrase or anything, sorry it that confused anyone.

I think the possible danger here is that we all obviously have something to contribute, and yes, i'll learn from what others post too. But the thread starter R5Rich seemed to be asking for basic advice and we may be going too indepth in this particular instance, with respect. Just my opinion guys.

btw, i'd recommend the nuts over raison too.........cos i flippin hate them rabbit turd things. :)
 
lol i didnt start it i just hi jacked it half way through :D Was after the same information tho so saved another thread being made ;)
 
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