Wenger: Stamp out rugby

I think it is, which is why when letting the ball go out of play, you see players follow it out, rather than stand still to block off the attacker. You need to be making some attempt at gaining control of the ball.
If the defender just stood still, the attacker would just run round him ;)

By including the term "unfairly" it means that there is a fair way of impeding him. The very least someone can do is just stand there ground which if a defender does to an attacker when the attacking player knocks the ball past he hasn't committed a foul.
 
but skippi that practice is something else i completely disagree with.

in what sense is sheilding the ball attemtpig to play the ball?

if theyu were trying to play it, they would put their feet out and try to kick it... not shibby to each side frantically trying to block off the other player whilst the ball rolls off the pitch untouched by either play. it is very frustrating to watch. id give it as obstruction every time.

There is shielding, and obstruction. The second the defender is the one forcing the attacker rather than the other way around, is when it becomes obstruction, for me.
 
By including the term "unfairly" it means that there is a fair way of impeding him. The very least someone can do is just stand there ground which if a defender does to an attacker when the attacking player knocks the ball past he hasn't committed a foul.

The fair way would be if the defender was in control of the ball or attempting to gain possession of the ball.

If there's no attempt to play the ball then it's deemed unfair. That's how the FIFA sees it at least and that's how 99% of referees on the continent play it.
 
Well you're not gonna outplay them so what does he expect? It's a contact sport, though the referee needs to do his job well or it gets out of hand if he doesn't get control early.
 
The fair way would be if the defender was in control of the ball or attempting to gain possession of the ball.

If there's no attempt to play the ball then it's deemed unfair. That's how the FIFA sees it at least and that's how 99% of referees on the continent play it.
That is not the case and hasn't in about 10 years since Obstruction was removed from the rule book.
 
I think that's Wenger's whole point though isn't it? Just because Blackburn only had four more fouls awarded against them, that doesn't show how many challenges went unpunished by the ref. Wenger's whole point is that players get away with far too much (i.e. Shawcross and Huth in last week's game, which were clearly fouls but the ref did nothing).

I'm half and half here, as I could quite easily say that some Arsenal players have a reputation for theatrics. Referees always have and always will be in a difficult situation because players will try to cheat all the time, its just that a more physical approach to cheating will often end badly for an opposition player.


Huth spent last Saturday pushing and obstructing Gomes at corners with no intention of playing the ball. Barcelona and other "footballing" teams never go that far.

I agree, but I could throw any other team in there. Holland at the WC Final for example. Many top teams have done it, and will continue to do it as physical approaches often win games. Again, for a lot of the bigger teams its usually a case of "But why won't you sit back and let us win? We think we're better than you!".


When Wenger moaned last year it was the culmination of playing those same 5 or 6 sides 12 or more times a year for 5 years. When it happens for so long, it's not wrong to be particularly aware of why we have this thread.

I don't think he was having a pop at your 2-1 victory because there was little wrong with the goals; I don't remember any Arsenal fans nor I taking issue with Blackburn that day to be fair.

In terms of the reputation, there's a reason why it's called the 'Allerdyce approach to football'. He out and out coined the notion of getting "in Arsenal's faces" while managing Bolton, well before he joined Blackburn. Where ever he goes he instills it into his sides...and don't forget also that there are others who have copied it.



...And as said, it usually goes far beyond being physical (a weakness) and ends up with one opponent suffering from lots of fouls. There's no problem from fans or our manager if we've been tactically outdone or out played within the laws of the game.



But SOME teams are obviously guilty of fouling far more than others to make up for their technical shortcomings. There's something wholly unfair of that approach to play football. Pointing this out is of course, not slander.

This I agree with. In regards to the game last season however, Wenger refused to shake hands at the end and claimed that for our second goal David Dunn had fouled Fabianski (Sol Campbell had been outmuscled and obstructed his own keeper).

I also agree that in his days at Bolton he was heavily criticised for his teams style of play, again something that he has often chose to go against with Blackburn. Its worth remembering though that he used a very efficient stats system (and iirc still does) and that his approach often worked, within the bounds of footballing law. A lot of big teams (and managers) have a mentality that the littler teams should not be a decent threat outside of a cup tie (I'm not making a generalisation as there are many level-headed fans out there).

I agree that some teams do overly foul (again Holland) and I was more than disappointed at the Dutch teams attempt to win against Spain as I really wanted them to take the game, HOWEVER as I have said several times (and will continue to say) teams have a habit of living off reputations (or rather Journos and Managers have a habit of bringing them up), and even if they play within the rules they will still be accused of going over the top. As a Rovers fan since the earlier nineties (93, when I was 5 years old) I'm used to it now. As long as our team gets the win, we don't care because too many of the bigger teams don't like the fact we often play to win.

I can't help but feel that if we commit more than 10 fouls tomorrow we'll be called cheats, etc... As long as we don't concede 6 I'll be happy :p.
 
I don't agree with him at all, Wenger wants football to be a non-contact sport as it suits his teams style of play. The likes of Blackburn, Bolton etc know this is their weak spot and close them down and continually press them to disrupt their play. I think the balance the refs have at the moment is spot on as dangerous tackles do almost always result in a red card.

This.

But at the same time i'm not going to defend negative football, I like to watch attacking teams have a go at each other and it always irks me when teams play another simply with the intention to "park the bus and hope".
 
Obstruction was removed from the rule book? And 10 years ago? :confused:

What?
Download the rulebook and search it for obstruction, there's no such thing now. It's been replaced with impeding with the distinction that the defender has to move to block the path of the attacker, also a defender then can get away with shielding because he is in control of the ball even though he's not touching it. As long as the ball is within his touching distance then he is considered in control of the ball for this purpose.
 
I'm pretty sure Wenger only said this to add pressure on the referee for Saturday's game. I agree with what a lot of people have been saying though in regards to goalkeepers, it's something of a blind spot for Wenger and if he would just sort it out and put his hand in his pocket for a change then we wouldn't look so shaky at set pieces. Our goalkeeping situation at the moment with Fabianski and Almunia is more of a comedy double act than two proper classy goalkeepers. It's like a competition to see who can out-**** the other one.

Either way I still see us beating the walrus faces side.
 
I don't agree with him at all, Wenger wants football to be a non-contact sport as it suits his teams style of play. The likes of Blackburn, Bolton etc know this is their weak spot and close them down and continually press them to disrupt their play. I think the balance the refs have at the moment is spot on as dangerous tackles do almost always result in a red card.


Totally agree 100% with Wenger and its sensible for him to raise these comments just before his side take on one of these lesser skilled teams - because he wants the refs to be super aware of the lesser tactics they use and to basically do their jobs and not let it get out of hand.

As an example I dont know about the rest of you but i thought the World Cup final was practically ruined because one team decided not to bother playing football so much instead preferring to kick the other team all over the park...

When they call football the beautiful game they aren't thinking of Stoke, Blackburn or Bolton :p
 
Wengers right, Stoke should play more like Arsenal.

It's a friggin sleeper hold.

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LOL seems like the guy was falling into the defender and he was only trying to help by making sure he didnt fall flat on his arse....thats pretty decent and kind of him:).
































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Good on you Chamakh. Get in there son. As I said above, in one way or another - can't beat 'em, join 'em!

Edit - to be fair, that wasn't even up there whatsoever in terms of the things that Arsene and Arsenal fans have complained about. This stuff happens in every game irrespective of level of physicality.

And a skinny Moroccan holding down the beast that is Samba? Give over, the lad's not stupid, it's not an unsafe bet to assume what he was trying there.

Edit 2 Samba's 6'4" and 91.0kgs, Chamakh is 6'0" and 70kgs. Right....:p
 
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Chamakh was holding Samba, that's a pen in my book.

Refs should give more pens for things like this, would stop it, it's horrible some times when you see it.
 
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