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Seems like there are far more arsenal fans wanting him gone now.

But the question is, IS it really him thats at fault or the board? or both?

Whos to say that another manager comes in and can only buy one world class player once ever 2/3 seasons and not able to spend more?

Or is wenger the manager that is really to blame for arsenal's downfall?

When will fans or you begin to start looking at the players himself?

Dont forget, wenger is not on the pitch playing, its the players.

Surely its maybe time players are accounted for, not just in arsenal but any club. Look at the attitude of chelsea's players this season yet its mourinho that gets the sack?

Mourinho is not on the pitch, same with wenger. so why cant players like hazard get the sack, salary deduction etc?

its shocking how players can just collect there 100k a week and **** about on the pitch while it is the manager that gets the boot.

Is it really wenger out or more Ramsey, walcott, mertesaka etc etc that need to go?
 
Time to go.

People go on about players, and it is down to them as well, but the manager has a massive impact on their tactics, style and attitude.

Ramsay has fallen off a cliff and needs to be benched for a while. Walcott really doesn't know his best position most of the time and Mertesacker is slow, old and past it.

If we had started out from kick off like we did in the last 10 mins, we would have had it won by half time. But it's as if he sends them out to saunter about and the game will automatically win itself. We then go into panic mode in the last 15 minutes and start playing well when the games lost. I genuinely think his reservedness destroys players as well. Sanchez is a shadow of himself and looks unhappy tbh.

Overall he is an utter disaster atm and he needs retiring off ASAP. We have some amazing players, but we just wont see the best of them while he is in charge.

Awaiting the incoming DM rant.
 
Moses said:
He could do more - addressing weaknesses in the squad/splashing more cash... but in not doing so they can have people like Bellerín play there are develop into good players. He's got pros and cons in that sense.

The most compelling reason for keeping him is that you know what you're going to get... what he's achieved each year is very respectable. Arsenal could twist and end up like Manyoo in recent times... replacing an iconic manager with a manager who completely fails followed by a manager who completely fails... then what? (I know DM will say Wenger's failed, but if that's the case there's failure and there's failure... and you know which I'm talking about with each).
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Man U weren't helped by the boards idiotic choice of manager when Fergie left. If they had a big hitter come in after Fergie like a Mourinho or Guardiola, I think the transition would have been a lot more seamless.

I would hope the Arsenal board could learn from that and make a wiser choice.
 
There is no way Wenger will go before his contract ends, which is end of next season?

As for who comes in after him, I suspect he will have a big say on that. I remember a few years ago that he was tipping (and I'm sure I've not just made this up) Bilic as a potential successor.
 
Gooner Leroy said:
There is no way Wenger will go before his contract ends, which is end of next season?

As for who comes in after him, I suspect he will have a big say on that. I remember a few years ago that he was tipping (and I'm sure I've not just made this up) Bilic as a potential successor.
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you've made it up about bilic

Wenger wants henry
 
The_One said:
you've made it up about bilic

Wenger wants henry
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I'm sure he said it 5 or 6 years go when he was manager of Croatia.

Call Adams back from Azerbaijan? :p or go with a pairing of Parlour and Merson as manager and assistant. At least the post match interviews will be entertaining.
 
robfosters said:
Man U weren't helped by the boards idiotic choice of manager when Fergie left. If they had a big hitter come in after Fergie like a Mourinho or Guardiola, I think the transition would have been a lot more seamless.
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As much as I think LVG is a nob I think he has shown that the rot in the squad was deep and no matter who came in it would be a thankless task. I think that's why anyone of any pedigree and sense stayed the **** away and still are.

flame696 said:
The problem is who do you replace Wenger with?
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Let's be honest when Wenger got the job most Arsenal fans went "who?". I think there has to be a shift from this constant merry go round of failures. We are running out of managers to band about. I'd like more lower league managers to get a chance.

Players are worth so much to clubs even someone like Fergie would fail at United coming through today, the players would turn on him and reduce the effort or whinge about not liking him and he would be removed. There's been plenty of rumours on who the players are keen or not keen on at united.

As much as I like football I absolutely detest footballers. Wage cap the ****s and have only the fans player of the year on the top wage, that would have the idle ****s earning their shirts.

Anyway, Wengers time is over, much like LVG his relevance has past. No shame in that but he's had long enough. I'd love him to win something and retire on a high, he deserves it but I think he would take that as a sign he should carry on.
 
Wenger is responsible for absolutely everything at the club, everything. LVG can take credit for giving youngsters a chance but can't be credited with training those kids, picking the scouts who brought them into the academy or the coaches who trained them over the years. Wenger is 100% responsible for every aspect of Arsenal. He isn't lacking funds, 180mil wages last year compared to Spurs's what, 100mil or so. The board aren't denying him money, they gave him another 40k a week to give to Walcott, and more money for plenty of other undeserved new contracts over the years.

he hasn't done a respectable job, having a team of decent players and instilling a mentality that means when pressure comes they fold badly but beat the bottom 10 teams consistently enough to stay in the top 4... big whoop. 180mil wages a year, we are in a mini league of 4 teams whose wages dwarf everyone else and we're far far closer in wage spend to the 3 teams who consistently win stuff above us than the teams below us.... but we lose that mini league with a regularity that has become embarrassing.


Wenger is done, I don't care about the money, the wage spend, the pure flukey nature of the transfer world that we have a low net spend... you can't apply logic to City giving us what, 28mil or something for Adebayor, or 22mil for Nasri or 16mil for Song.

None of that matters, Wenger can't see Walcott is useless, Ox isn't a footballer, Denilson sucked(he asked to leave, Wenger didn't show him the door), that losing Pires to start Hleb is a joke, that Welbeck was a woeful idea, that Giroud isn't good enough, that we needed a top DM since Gilberto left, etc, etc, etc. All of these things could be fixed by not buying them, dropping them, selling them or finding a proper replacement, not for more money necessarily, not for big spends. But you have to physically be able to look at the squad and say, hey, we have no defensive midfielders... lets buy one. That DM could be a 18yr old cheap player, a 30 year old 2 years left high wage low transfer fee legend or anything in between. It's that he ignores it, he settled for Denilson, then Song, then Arteta, then Flamini and Coquelin isn't actually good enough, just better than who he replaced. Even then Wenger didn't get shot of Flamini/Arteta and buy a young replacement.

It's not the stuff he can't do anything about, it's the dozens of mistakes he can absolutely do something about but refuses to even recognise as a problem.
 
In my opinion Wenger has needed to go for a while now. Arsenal are pretty much the same story every season. A lot of the fans seem to change their tune quite often though...
 
dannyjo22 said:
Anyway, Wengers time is over, much like LVG his relevance has past. No shame in that but he's had long enough. I'd love him to win something and retire on a high, he deserves it but I think he would take that as a sign he should carry on.
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If he hadn't won the FA cup, thanks in large part to all the other teams in the top 5 going through rebuilding phases/disasters or focusing on other things(Chelsea on the league, City focusing purely on not being embarrassed in Europe again for the last couple years), then I think Wenger would be gone.

Thing is if Wenger was gone and we were looking for a replacement we could probably have nabbed Klopp in summer or even been thinking about speaking to Guardiola. Honestly Wenger should have seen his time was up, started looking for a replacement and gone to speak with Guardiola multiple times to talk him into building a legacy at Arsenal.

Those FA cups probably kept Wenger going and probably caused us to miss out on the chance at signing two of the most impressive managers around. Hell, maybe we'd have gone for Poch instead of Spurs if he left 2 years ago.
 
Yep. Love them or hate them, at least at Chelsea, someone like Abramovich is a one sport man, he loves football and that's admirable, he's always there supporting. Unfortunately for Arsenal and feel so sorry for the fans who have season tickets and stuff that they are just a stat to Kroenke. He couldn't careless about doing a treble or something, all that matters is a decent brand competing near the top. Don't lay all the blame at Wengers feet, he's great coach. If he was fired, Real Madrid would be well after him..

Edit, Wenger should just resign in the summer, he's not appreciated by so many at Arsenal anymore. Get signed up at Real Madrid and watch him do the treble...that would be hilarious.

http://metro.co.uk/2015/08/21/arsen...-madrid-job-says-ex-agent-marc-roger-5354592/

BOSSSSS!!! hahaha
 
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It's the same excuses every year with Wenger.

Pre Season it's - we've got a squad able to win the league. I'll only sign a player that is top top class, someone to improve the squad.

As the Season goes on it changes to - Judge us at the end of the season, we had enough chances to win the game - this bunch of players have a good spirit and are capable of anything.

Bla bla bla.

Wenger is fantastic at locating young players, training them and giving them opportunities. But personally this is more of an academy director or chief scout type skills.

He's not ruthless enough. We have soft players that just are giving way to much time at Arsenal. We are also crap in defense. Wenger is rubbish at finding goalkeepers (forget Cech - Anyone would have signed him)

We have no plan B. Its the same strategy against every team, bar a few occurrences over the years where we get the strategy right on the day.
 
opethdisciple said:
It's the same excuses every year with Wenger.

Pre Season it's - we've got a squad able to win the league. I'll only sign a player that is top top class, someone to improve the squad.

As the Season goes on it changes to - Judge us at the end of the season, we had enough chances to win the game - this bunch of players have a good spirit and are capable of anything.

Bla bla bla.

Wenger is fantastic at locating young players, training them and giving them opportunities. But personally this is more of an academy director or chief scout type skills.

He's not ruthless enough. We have soft players that just are giving way to much time at Arsenal. We are also crap in defense. Wenger is rubbish at finding goalkeepers (forget Cech - Anyone would have signed him)

We have no plan B. Its the same strategy against every team, bar a few occurrences over the years where we get the strategy right on the day.
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The amount of times I've seen us look desperate and devoid of ideas upfront this year is frightening. How the hell can you struggle so bad with players like Sanchez and Ozil in there?
 
Robbo said:
In my opinion Wenger has needed to go for a while now. Arsenal are pretty much the same story every season. A lot of the fans seem to change their tune quite often though...
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Surely you cannot be saying they're fickle... Only as good as your last game, right?
 
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