Wengers time up?

Yas786 · 15 Mar 2016 at 16:54

jonneymendoza said:
Should we get Mourinho?

Not a chance in hell would I want him anywhere near Arsenal. He's a great manager, gets results and wins trophies but dear god when things go wrong they go spectacularly wrong. He's the sort of guy that will rip a clubs heart to shreds and instead of looking at himself, he will blame others.

Plus he's not one to stick around for any period of time as it is, short term is all he is.

Finally I don't think in a million yrs the Arsenal board will even think of trying for him due to the way he has treated Wenger etc.

As for wenger?? I've been saying it for quite sometime that he needs to go now. Thanks for the memories and all the great things he has done for us but this season has proven that, without a doubt he just has not got in him to win us a title. Especially after the way Chelsea have collapsed post Mourinho, city have struggled and Utd have struggled with LVG. If anything we should have been out of sight and cruising to the title this season but nope, we find ourselves 11 pts behind Leicester and a few pts behind Spurs.

The blame lies at Wenger and his stubbornness in playing beyond average players ie Walcott, Giroud, Flamini, mertesacker amongst others.

Caseh · 15 Mar 2016 at 18:28

dannyjo22 said:
It doesn't have to be someone of his calibre, again wenger wasn't at that level when they signed him. Wenger was the right man to take them forward at that time and wasn't a huge name.

While I understand your point, and agree to it to a certain extent, football has changed though. The supporters have become much more "entitled". A proven top manager would get more time than a relatively unknown, that's for sure. I would be very happy to go with Unai Emery as well, I rate him really highly.

Gooner Leroy · 15 Mar 2016 at 18:38

Eddie Howe.

Tummy · 15 Mar 2016 at 19:23

Caseh said:
For the first time I have started to think maybe it's time for Wenger to go, but only if they can get someone of the Simeone caliber to replace him. Otherwise, just what is the point?

I agree with the sentiment that Wenger was not the manager he is today, (excellent), when he took over. He improved and learnt a lot. However, managers often do not get that time now.

Also; the list of managers that could be a possible upgrade or improvement on Wenger are few and not available (for a number of reasons).

The club could hire a younger manager and 'give them time', but if results were poor how long until the Arsenal fans got even more upset at the club/players/manager/set up than they are now?

'Wenger out! Wenger out!', then in comes the new manager who is considerably worse, and then the club are in a worse situation/position than they are now... and have a considerably worse manager.

Yas786 · 15 Mar 2016 at 20:26

Joachim low of Germany wouldn't be a bad bet, rumours swirling around that once euros 2016 is finished he may step down.

Tummy · 15 Mar 2016 at 20:28

Yas786 said:
Joachim low of Germany wouldn't be a bad bet, rumours swirling around that once euros 2016 is finished he may step down.

IF he stepped down, why would he move to Arsenal?

I love when fans (and I'm guilty of this at times), say that manger X or player Y should be the targets - but it never takes in to account if those managers/players want to come to the club.

Rorxy · 16 Mar 2016 at 00:47

Tummy said:
IF he stepped down, why would he move to Arsenal?

I love when fans (and I'm guilty of this at times), say that manger X or player Y should be the targets - but it never takes in to account if those managers/players want to come to the club.

Any respectable manager wouldnt want to touch this team right now. Back to someone who said you could have got Guardiola? Absolutely no chance. Man City were his no.2 pick and the only reason he didn't was because Bayern were looking far far more attractive an offer. Lot of Barcelona connections now at Man City and he has essentially been given a blank cheque.

I personally would love to see Simeone come to the Premier League, but I don't see what would attract him to a team like Arsenal. For years now they have basically done the exact same thing - any pressure and they just buckle and go down down down towards end of the season. They have had a lot to do with a number of some of the worst games of the season this year. Yes, they have been unlucky with injuries this season, but that is pretty commonplace with any of the top flight teams in the Prem League (I cringe at even considering Arsenal one of the top teams considering their performances this year).

Barcelona tomorrow is going to be a real hard watch. If any game can destroy a team, I would place a fair bet that facing Barca at home a couple of goals down is one of them.

Tummy · 16 Mar 2016 at 00:55

Rorxy said:
Any respectable manager wouldnt want to touch this team right now. Back to someone who said you could have got Guardiola? Absolutely no chance. Man City were his no.2 pick and the only reason he didn't was because Bayern were looking far far more attractive an offer. Lot of Barcelona connections now at Man City and he has essentially been given a blank cheque.

I personally would love to see Simeone come to the Premier League, but I don't see what would attract him to a team like Arsenal. For years now they have basically done the exact same thing - any pressure and they just buckle and go down down down towards end of the season. They have had a lot to do with a number of some of the worst games of the season this year. Yes, they have been unlucky with injuries this season, but that is pretty commonplace with any of the top flight teams in the Prem League (I cringe at even considering Arsenal one of the top teams considering their performances this year).

Barcelona tomorrow is going to be a real hard watch. If any game can destroy a team, I would place a fair bet that facing Barca at home a couple of goals down is one of them.

Simeone's style of football is nothing, absolutely nothing, like Arsenal's footballing ideology. Fans asking for him, is only slightly less ridiculous than thinking Guardiola would move to Arsenal.

(Also; I think the Arabian connections are far more important to Guardiola moving to Manchester City than anything else)

Rorxy · 16 Mar 2016 at 01:04

Tummy said:
(Also; I think the Arabian connections are far more important to Guardiola moving to Manchester City than anything else)

Not Barcelona's former director of football Txiki Begiristain or the chief executive Ferran Soriano?? Two people that had everything to do with assisting Guardiola build what was essentially one of the best teams in recent memory (some say ever)?

Tummy · 16 Mar 2016 at 01:07

Rorxy said:
Not Barcelona's former director of football Txiki Begiristain or the chief executive Ferran Soriano?? Two people that had everything to do with assisting Guardiola build what was essentially one of the best teams in recent memory (some say ever)?

I think their positions at the club helped, but Barcelona has ties to the Arabs, so their moves to Manchester City were not unexpected either.

I am not dismissing what you're claiming at all, I think their employment helps, but I think it has far more to do with ties to the United Arab Emirates.

Rorxy · 16 Mar 2016 at 01:22

Tummy said:
I think their positions at the club helped, but Barcelona has ties to the Arabs, so their moves to Manchester City were not unexpected either.

I am not dismissing what you're claiming at all, I think their employment helps, but I think it has far more to do with ties to the United Arab Emirates.

I see. I thought the UAE investments came in after Guardiola though?

Tummy · 16 Mar 2016 at 01:34

Indeed.

However, Guardiola was involved in the bidding process for Qatar 2022, was rumoured to be front runner to coach the Qatar national side at the World Cup. He has big ties to the Arabs.

Guardiola said:
"I have lived there, they were very persistent, and because of the way they looked after me I decided to accept," (Back in 2010)

GFX-Kid · 19 Mar 2016 at 00:08

In Wenger we trust!

Bringing in a new manager is likely to lead to disaster. Hardly anyone out there that is available I think will do better with our current squad. Don't want Mo.

Reading these posts, some funny comments. Drunkenmaster in particular should really be named CaptainHindsight.

Trusty · 19 Mar 2016 at 00:59

GFX-Kid said:
Reading these posts, some funny comments. Drunkenmaster in particular should really be named CaptainHindsight.

No, not true, he's been saying it for 12 years, since 2004. The same year Arsenal won the premiership and the year before Arsenal got to the Champions League final. :confused:

LOGICAL

GFX-Kid · 19 Mar 2016 at 14:45

GOGO Wenger! 3 points nicely secured

On BT Sports Ian Wright hit the nail on the head when he said that even if Arsenal go on and win the league this year, some fans will still want Wenger gone. lol. So true

Rids · 21 Mar 2016 at 13:40

I'll admit that I think it is time for Wenger to move on. I love the guy, he has been great for the club, under his stewardship we have achieved amazing things and he deserves nothing but respect.

But I don't see him as the man to take this forward anymore, I don't think he is going to be able to deliver the success that we crave. Winning the league this season isn't going to change my mind on that.

I'm in no rush to get rid of him, especially at present when I'm really struggling to think of anybody I'd want to take over the role, but it is time for a change, when the right man becomes available.

daz · 21 Mar 2016 at 14:17

Wenger will go at the end of his contract. I think that it is very much rolling the dice with the future of the club if he were to be sacked or agree to leave before his time though.

It must be frustrating for Arsenal fans to see the management of the team "happy" with simply finishing in the top 4, but, to anyone outside they would dream of the stability that Wenger has brought to the club.

jonneymendoza · 21 Mar 2016 at 14:35

Rids said:
I'll admit that I think it is time for Wenger to move on. I love the guy, he has been great for the club, under his stewardship we have achieved amazing things and he deserves nothing but respect.

But I don't see him as the man to take this forward anymore, I don't think he is going to be able to deliver the success that we crave. Winning the league this season isn't going to change my mind on that.

I'm in no rush to get rid of him, especially at present when I'm really struggling to think of anybody I'd want to take over the role, but it is time for a change, when the right man becomes available.

pep was available.....

So was Klopp.....

Rids · 21 Mar 2016 at 15:59

jonneymendoza said:
pep was available.....

So was Klopp.....

Pep was never happening, ever. I think any Arsenal fan that things otherwise is deluding themselves.

Klopp... well you all know my feelings on that. I'm absolutely gutted he is at Liverpool, would love for him to be managing us.

drunkenmaster · 21 Mar 2016 at 16:09

Rids said:
Pep was never happening, ever. I think any Arsenal fan that things otherwise is deluding themselves.

Klopp... well you all know my feelings on that. I'm absolutely gutted he is at Liverpool, would love for him to be managing us.

I think it's naive to presume what Guardiola wants. Utd is arguably a bigger job than Man City, London is arguably a much nicer place to live than Manchester, Real needed a manager to, PSG could have gone for him. Managers choose jobs for many reasons. Apparently players will always choose a champs league club and not the most money, but Guardiola would only choose the club with the most money? these are arbitrary decisions by fans on what clubs players and managers will choose.

Speaking for myself, Arsenal is the bigger job, I'd prefer to go to Arsenal get time, not have the type of club hierarchy that controls most of the transfers, buy the players I want and build a legacy for myself. City won the league much more recently and with the resources available winning with them will seem like a much smaller task. If I wanted money I'd choose City or Chelsea over Arsenal, if I wanted to manage the biggest club in England I'd choose Utd... I might choose Utd just to **** off Mourinho because I can't stand him and it would be kinda funny.

Guardiola was available and we didn't even ask him because the club isn't actively trying to replace Wenger or talk Wenger into leaving. Wenger should care enough the club to sit down with the board, agree to a plan to leave and should have been meeting with Guardiola to persuade him personally to take over for him. If I was in Wenger's position I'd know the last great thing I could do is not win the league but ensure a good replacement.

Also lets be honest, a LOT of people are looking at Guardiola at Bayern, seeing less good football and thinking he hasn't improved them at all, just got the job at the right time. Anyone could do what he's 'done' at Bayern, which is nothing really and anyone could have won most of the titles Barca did with Messi breaking out at the same time along with Iniesta/Xavi/valdes/etc all at their peak. If I was Guardiola, I'd be looking for a bigger task to prove my credentials. Winning stuff with Arsenal, turning around the mentality, making them winners again would prove way more than winning more league titles with City or chelsea.