Wengers time up?
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It will be ignored by people because it's nonsense. He doesn't say he doesn't want to win he said solid business foundation and building from that. Spending beyond the clubs means like, lets see, Portsmouth, Bolton, QPR, Leeds and other clubs did... how did that go exactly?
How much cash do Arsenal have in the bank, right, generally between 180-240mil, of which legally we only need around 25mil in there due to the terms of the debt. Has Kroenke taken that money out of the club? Did Kroenke refuse to give Walcott a new contract, did he refuse to pay bigger wages for Cech? The answer to those is no. Walcott getting a new contract is a choice Wenger made, the wrong choice. WE have a huge wage spend and rather than put those wages towards a better player for which we absolutely have the transfer funds to find and wouldn't move to a unsafe business situation by doing, thus Kroenke has no problem with, would have helped the team. Instead Wenger CHOSE to give more money to a useless little ****.
Spending beyond your means is bad, and using that to blame the owner over Wenger because unlike Roman he's not willing to dump billions in losses over a decade is nonsense. Most of the spending Chelsea/City did was wasted, they had so much money and constant stream of new managers that both teams could have easily spent 1/3rd of what they actually did and have had the same starting team for the most part.
Certain people choose to ignore that. Go back and look through which players got bought and were rubbish, unwanted by the manager, basically took no part in their success or played barely any games, there is literally hundreds of millions of waste that almost anyone could see was a waste before they were bought. Panic, stupidity and a race to the top was what pushed Chelsea and City spending. More importantly they had the money to not be careful and throw money at the problem... they had it and spent it, it doesn't mean they had to spend that amount to obtain the success. Wenger never needed to suddenly build a team over the space of two years so expecting him to spend the same or suggesting he couldn't do better because he didn't do that is nuts.
You know which CHelsea manager in the past 10 years chose all the scouts for the youth team, chose all the coaches for the youth setup, every physio, doctor, who built the training facilities... none. Wenger did though on every count there. The very nature of being in charge for so long and starting with a brilliant team meant only a couple of top players needed replacing every couple of years. The problem is the youth output at Arsenal has been a joke and Wenger's replacing of top players with inept idiots and they keeping them around forever is unforgivable.
Think about it like this, Mancini arrives at City, needs a winger and has to buy whoever is available but good enough for a title side and costs them 25million. Wenger had a stable top team already, he could scout around and find a replacement on his own schedule, if and when a player becomes available he can choose to bring that guy in and sell someone else.
We got Pires for 6mil and sold Overmars for 25mil because we had time to make that call. Mancini, Mourinho, City/Chelsea simply were never in that position. We can track a guy for three years, talk to his agent, get them to want to sign for us and time the move well. City/CHelsea had a new manager. Spending being an excuse is ridiculously oversimplified, completely ignorant of the difference in situation a long term manager and Arsenal and Wenger specifically had compared to teams who weren't at the top attempting to buy success overnight and even then the massive amount of waste involved. Both City and CHelsea could have spent at least 50% less and still had the same titles and mostly the same team to show for it.
Kroenke not wanting the club to get into big debt with massive overspending is both sensible and not at all related to why and how Arsenal are how they are.
Any idiot can see it's related, you just gloss over it though because it'll put a downer on your case for Wenger. You seem to think that being at club longer means you don't get anything wrong, there's still a risk when signing a player, doesn't matter how long you've been there, you can't get inside the head of a footballer. How many transfers went wrong for Fergie during his time at OT?
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He needs to go, has done for a few years. The team is hopeless, nobody seems to actually play anywhere near the level they're capable of. It saddens me 
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He needs to go, has done for a few years. The team is hopeless, nobody seems to actually play anywhere near the level they're capable of. It saddens me
Should we get Mourinho?
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Some of you Arsenal fans sound like the few idiot Newcastle fans that wanted sir Bobby gone, be careful what you wish for because the only way is down if you get rid of wenger!
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I agree, the grass is not always greener on the other side. I saw Arsenal get plenty of chances against Watford, they just missed them all. Can you blame Wenger for Welbeck missing that open goal?
Is fear a good enough reason to accept mediocre performances?
Arsenal are struggling each year to reach the 'top 4', we make it yes, however it's not like we'll go on and do something special with it. Every SINGLE season it's the same thing AND the same TIME (February) that it all crumbles apart. Almost every fan knows what kind of players we need (and need to get rid of), yet the one person that can change that, doesn't see it.
Nothing will change with the current setup.
I've been a huge fan of Wenger and everyone will thank him for his services, however this is the season to step down and let someone direct the club in a different direction.
Yes, Chelsea and Man Utd have come tumbling down, even City are struggling. However, that is not good enough reason to stick with what's not working.
Even Spurs have over taken us this season
Arsenal are struggling each year to reach the 'top 4', we make it yes, however it's not like we'll go on and do something special with it. Every SINGLE season it's the same thing AND the same TIME (February) that it all crumbles apart. Almost every fan knows what kind of players we need (and need to get rid of), yet the one person that can change that, doesn't see it.
Nothing will change with the current setup.
I've been a huge fan of Wenger and everyone will thank him for his services, however this is the season to step down and let someone direct the club in a different direction.
Yes, Chelsea and Man Utd have come tumbling down, even City are struggling. However, that is not good enough reason to stick with what's not working.
Even Spurs have over taken us this season
Can blame him for signing him.
Welbeck is a decent enough player...for a mid table team. And this is the trouble with Arsenal, we stick by players not cutting it for FAR too long. Was it Wengers fault he missed a sitter? No. Was it Wenger's fault for not getting in a decent, proven striker that can bang in 20+ goals a season. Yes.
It doesn't have to be someone of his calibre, again wenger wasn't at that level when they signed him. Wenger was the right man to take them forward at that time and wasn't a huge name.
Surely there's a massive difference. Kroenke doesn't own the whole club. Why should he put in huge sums and run the club like Roman or the Oil clubs unless the other guy who owns shares also matches his investment at least proportionally. Why would the 60% odd shareholder put all the money in to make someone else richer without them agreeing to do the same?
As said, the grass isn't always greener. It felt like ALL the Toon fans wanted Pardew out, even when he was doing a great job.mthen they got what they wanted and now look at them. Any replacement for Wenger needs to be scouted and looked at for a long time otherwise you could end up with Brendan Rodgers. Ask Simeone. He's said he's staying at Atletico next season so ask him to come for the season after.
Yea well that's the sort of what i'm getting at. It's not like some of the big clubs where money isn't an issue. If you look at the sides that have won it in the 20 last years, it's the clubs that have spent the most. Utd, Chelsea and City, no other club has won it. So it's fair to say money is the biggest factor when winning the PL. We have a big wage with the other 3 but that's due to being in Europe. As soon as Spurs or Leicester get into the CL, their wage bill will increase significantly as well.
As a United fan, I say choose carefully. Look what *can* happen when you lose one of your most successful managers.
You might not get the title but he does consistently give CL football. Are you sure you can appoint someone who will take the club forward?
You might not get the title but he does consistently give CL football. Are you sure you can appoint someone who will take the club forward?
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That's a good question. A huge part of me says no as I can't stand the guy or the way he plays football, however he does get results. Maybe he's the kind of guy that will shake things up but I'm not sure!
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Does anyone honestly think Wenger will step down at the end of the season??? I'll bet my stash of curly wurlies that he won't.
Not a chance, he's far too stubborn! Just look at some of the players he's stuck by over the years.
I think if had of won the league/champs league he might of done (over the past couple years), to go out on top etc. Now he's just chasing something he won't achieve and is damaging his legacy. Shame really.
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