US: Westworld

As I said in my previous post it felt self contained and would work as such. Hopkins in the role is a big clue to it being or envisaged as a one-off.

It reminds me of the 70s and early 80s sci-fi films with slightly open endings, much like the original Westworld film.

Wholly satisfying yet unsatisfying at the same time.
 
you have to think. they do need to wrap up and package a story. everything could be done deeper more things explained but at what limit do you stop ?

isnt that the story tellers direction ? what they want to get over in a short period of time.

i liked the ending. pretty easy to understand.quite puzzled many are like what was meant by this.thought it was pretty well done.some story lines could have been explored maybe more but that will probably happen later in other storylines/time lines.quite clever.

those p90s with never ending bullets.:D why they didnt pick up the others guns or take clips did kind of annoy me :p

you could argue maive is still on story line or her concioncense has decided to go to her daughter.or that when she thinks about it what is there out there for her apart from her daughter ? or maybe she just wants to see her.to answer unanswered questions /thoughts.her making the decision naturally could be both what was wanted to be achieved in her or just another story line.
 
tres said:
Ford was continuing Arnold's work all along. He realised the hosts needed suffering to evolve. Arnold thought they were ready, but they weren't. The last 35 years were Ford allowing the hosts to suffer. He detached them from any kindness - such as always insisting they were naked when being worked on, and the constant brutality they faced in the park. Ford planned the final scene.

I don't think Ford is dead though. Two big clues...
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I thought the same, Ford was building a robot in the house within the park, no one knew about it except Bernard who can be programmed to forget and the woman he killed.

I think this was himself, and had it programmed for this finale and he is still in the park at the house.
 
tres said:
Ford was continuing Arnold's work all along. He realised the hosts needed suffering to evolve. Arnold thought they were ready, but they weren't. The last 35 years were Ford allowing the hosts to suffer. He detached them from any kindness - such as always insisting they were naked when being worked on, and the constant brutality they faced in the park. Ford planned the final scene.

I don't think Ford is dead though. Two big clues...
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My take, Ford has spent 35 years pseudo "teaching" the hosts about humanity thus allowing them to develop consciousness more naturally, where as Arnold tried to force a fake variant upon them. Some hints about a loathing of humanity/species becoming stagnant, perhaps using his hosts to force humanity to evolve as well, probably getting a bit grand with that plot thread though.

Perhaps a suggestion that he will now allow them to leave "Eden" but unlike humanity, realise Eden is preferable to the "hell" outside, see Maeve (she seems to choose to return, assuming her escape program/loop ended at the train).

Oh and in all likely hood, the Ford that was shot was probably a host. Some evidence for this is the crude handshake (Bernard even having to correct it), the hand itself looking suspicious, and weird blinking. These were previously documented traits of the "older models", Ford also has an older printer and we did see a host being printed that didn't seem to be covered off by any of the other arcs.

Solid enjoyable season and seems to leave a couple of of questions and enough setup for a second season.
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I never picked this up, thanks for explaining :)
 
What happened to the head of security guy? Last we saw, he got tackled by the Ghost Nation but we didn't see his death.
 
Shamrock said:
What happened to the head of security guy? Last we saw, he got tackled by the Ghost Nation but we didn't see his death.
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As with most piled up twists, they've run out of time to follow it up and explain it.
 
So it was all memories then? Not timelines.

I like the show but I don't think it's going to go down as one of the best series I've watched, mid-table.
 
sigma said:
So it was all memories then? Not timelines.
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These are not exclusive concepts. Dolores memory was only used as a delivery method for "reveal". Think about it this way - how did you see scenes of Logan and William arriving in Westworld, changing their clothes and boarding the train? How could Dolores remember that?
 
Not wrapping things up fully is probably what they intended - they had to have some kind of an ending, but needed some unfinished threads to follow up on in the next series. I really enjoyed the whole series. Hoping for a series 2, but as long as they don't drag out too many more and keep the quality high.
 
A few things I didn't quite grasp in this episode -

With regard to the scene with Maeve on the train, was that not Lawrences daughter sat opposite her? If so, can we assume the escape sequence was all part of an elaborate storyline? (as implied by Arnold/Bernard). Edit - The cast credits indicate that his daughter was in the episode.

Also, the scene in which the audience were revealed to be watching Dolores dying on the beach; How much of her sequence leading to this point were they exposed to? It just strikes me that without them knowing the events that led her to being wounded, the poignant nature of the moment would be lost on them. For example, we as an audience interpreted the scene a different way owing to the fact that we were aware of everything that had happened leading to this moment.

Lastly, wouldn't the act of freeing the hosts so that they could slaughter the guests be counterproductive? It was established that Ford was actually trying to liberate the hosts and he even indicated to Bernard that the suffering would have to continue before they could become truly sentient(liberated). By killing several dozen people, isn't the park likely to now be shutdown, therefore putting an end to his plan?
 
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Buzzin'! The samurai homage came from the second film, where Fonda's character goes snooping around and accidentally creates a few trial hosts. It had the whole body-snatching theme running along with the cold-war paranoia, and Japan was that decade's China, so you had some tokenism in the sci-fi films of the era.

And, yes, nobody's thought through impact weapons or anything like that this time around. Guns had a temperature sensor (hosts' bodies read cooler). On top of that, the biggest Delos complex had: Westworld (later abandoned); Roman World; Medieval World; Spa World(!); Futureworld; and Edo World in testing? Current writers can do anything they like, though.

I don't think the series will go in the predictable moustache-twirl, mega-evil conspiracy way; mind, producers might have other ideas. :p
 
But are the other worlds derived from Westworld and its hosts? Arnold and Ford are still the original creators?
 
It seems weird that you could have multiple worlds. West World in Central America is obviously easy to do, but how can it adjoin samurai world? Are you going to terraform the American desert to look like Japan?
 
Vonhelmet said:
It seems weird that you could have multiple worlds. West World in Central America is obviously easy to do, but how can it adjoin samurai world? Are you going to terraform the American desert to look like Japan?
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Did they say it's in Central America?

I thoroughly enjoyed the show from beginning to end. I can see where they might go with season 2 but I don't see how they can capture the feel of season 1. Looking forward to it though!
 
Yeah, they were all originally linked and used the same technology. (In the original Westworld, you could ride a horse between worlds, and there was a notice telling you that you were leaving from one to the other.) In this iteration of the franchise, hmm, they can spin it how they like: as I said above, they could just place the whole shebang in Futureworld -- a park within a park, where nothing's ever real and everything's dead; or they can split them up; or they can have a secret conspiracy to take over the world by pandering to particular national stereotypes; or we could be on an asteroid in outer space.
 
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