US: Westworld

ZombieFan said:
People can, and have, died in Westworld. Part of the promo for the show was the release of the 'Delos Terms & Conditions'. You can find it on reddit here - https://www.reddit.com/r/westworld/comments/560gz8/westworlds_full_terms_of_service_explains_how/

It specifically states that loss of life has happened in the park. It also contains a piece on the safety features of the guns/ammo:



In regards to the MiB:
From the few clues here and there in the script, I think he's terminally ill and intends to die in the park. I believe he thinks the 'centre of the maze' will allow him to enter a game scenario which will remove all safeguards from the game and allow him to go out in style - him vs westworld with no gun/ammo tech to help him.
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I thought the deaths were essentially the event from the original movie, which is referred to a few times.
 
Series 2 of Humans could well be a borefest but I'll stick it out I guess. This is much more adult and darker and together with the various plots and time lines it's decent enough so far.
 
Starting to lose interest in this. So much that doesn't make sense at the moment. Will stick it out in the hope that they start explaining some of it.
 
I do subscribe a little to the theory of alternating time lines. Given that in one "dream" scene with Delores. Hopkins says something like, "you tried to take down the park once, but you failed and just kept playing along your loop". That kinda sounds like the scenes where she is having the awakenings, and that William is to become the Man in Black.
I mean why not give the character a name unless it would reveal he's the same character but older.
 
I really don't know where people are getting 'alternate timelines' from when watching this?

Seems like people are trying to make things more complicated than it should be
 
XeNoN89 said:
I really don't know where people are getting 'alternate timelines' from when watching this?

Seems like people are trying to make things more complicated than it should be
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There is a logic to the theory, but it's all hinged on a lack of intersection of the plots that could be little more than they want to delay certain characters meeting because there's no going back when those threads start.

3 or 4 (depending on whose version of the theory you subscribe to) separate timelines being played out at once? For something they're hoping will have and continue to have mass appeal suddenly throwing something like that out of left field seems far fetched.
 
I really hope there's not two (or more) timelines to this. If TV shows start showing us events in random orders to try and 'trick' us, I wont be happy.
 
This hasn't been renewed for a second season yet. But this is an initially a 5 season series. I personally think there just isn't enough interesting material to make it run for 5 seasons.
 
I thought this would be a good series, but the script is so awful - apart from Ed Harris and Hopkins, everyone else sucks so badly.. urgh.
 
AndyCr15 said:
I really hope there's not two (or more) timelines to this. If TV shows start showing us events in random orders to try and 'trick' us, I wont be happy.
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With Abrams and Nolan on board there will be twists and more to it than meets the eye, but I do think people are going overboard on this.
 
What would be great is if all the plots fits together without loads of over the top twists and timelines.

No doubt we get a full on lost effort and everyone's dead already or its a sim within a sim with some ai for good measure. Then something silly on top like real people have uploaded their consciousness into the hosts crossing inception, avatar, the matrix and source code to name a few. Then it turns out they actually use real human bodies for hosts.

I would be quite content if it is simply as on the tin and we just get to explore people's lives in the game. Maybe with a single current and flashback timeline.
 
XeNoN89 said:
I really don't know where people are getting 'alternate timelines' from when watching this?
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AndyCr15 said:
I really hope there's not two (or more) timelines to this. If TV shows start showing us events in random orders to try and 'trick' us, I wont be happy.
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Anyone who read my posts in this thread knows I am "so far gone" into this theory that I have absolutely no doubt that we are watching several time lines, or should I say - separated events (I say that because there is a 40:60 chance we are watching two parks, rather than two timelines). To me, without that theory almost nothing in this show would make any sense. It would be one of the worst written, plothole ridden shows if it turned out that at some point William and Logan are in the same timeline or park as MiB.

Jonny2284 said:
There is a logic to the theory, but it's all hinged on a lack of intersection of the plots that could be little more than they want to delay certain characters meeting because there's no going back when those threads start.

3 or 4 (depending on whose version of the theory you subscribe to) separate timelines being played out at once? For something they're hoping will have and continue to have mass appeal suddenly throwing something like that out of left field seems far fetched.
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So far the biggest argument against two timelines is the control room. When Stubbs is informed that Dolores is off her loop (William timeline) and in another scene that a guest requested pyrotechnics (MiB timeline) both control rooms are identical and both feature Stubbs (I'm talking about the Luke Hemsworths character). There is of course explanation for it - for example Dolores off her loop might be Dolores running away from her farm, after shooting a robber in MiB timeline rather than Dolores that stumbles out of the woods in distress in William's timeline and of course possibility that Stubbs and all crew are hosts themselves (but would the control room monitors and everything look exactly the same after 30 years?). So there - this is the biggest ANTI argument I can find in editing.

Mind you, if timeline theory is correct, as the show progresses it will be increasingly hard to "bring it home" in a universally satisfactory way - cinematic world has very narrow range of visual devices to coherently demonstrate to the viewer, on screen that the entirety of we watched for hours was out of sequence, so after 10 or so episodes it will almost have to be something thrillingly cutting edge in terms of special effect or visual device for everyone in front of their screens across the entire world to go "awww, ef me, that's what it was". The risk of alienation at reveal is off the charts.
 
I find the timeline theory quite compelling, it sorts a lot of niggles for me. Although if the theory is correct those niggles are actually plot devices to demonstrate the timelines.

Although the one that clinched it for me in retrospect was that William and the other guy arrived at a shiny train station and then went in. I haven't been back and re-watched the episodes but wasn't that the same place the old hosts were being stored in the dark. Suggesting a large time difference between William and the "now".
 
really good episode, i was fearing it would get a bit boring but last episode blew everything open, i like the idea that Arnold might still be alive in some form. Will be interesting to see where they take it.
 
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