US: Westworld

Jono8 said:
The computing areas is sort of ok, as they did say all the park fail safes were removed by Ford etc. So that is ok.

The equipment and actions of the security/Delos teams that came in from the outside though just simply didn't make sense. The equipment and behaviour was simply so they could fill the season with pointless gun fights.
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Have you seen Prometheus?? More dumb people in a similar way. The same goes with the Planet of the Apes series.
 
ivrytwr3 said:
Ford and Arnold were visionaries, not security experts. And as we know when contracts go out it is usually to the lowest bidder :). I agree the soldiers were not the elite unit they could have been, but nor were they Star Trek Red Shirt fodder. If we had gone with your drone/EMP attack scenario, then we probably wouldn't have a S3 - just go with it...........................:)
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Ultimately you have the contention between bureaucracy and that their security was geared up for a much more minor incident - a park wide malfunction of that type wasn't "supposed" to happen - hosts weren't supposed to have that level of ability to decide things for themselves, etc.

Initially a lot of information was suppressed and those higher up probably didn't believe it was as bad as it was either and more interested in protecting and probably removing any signs of their own project before any wider enquiry or spotlight was placed on the incident.

Going to a full military capability to contain and stabilise would have probably been a last resort and the next step that we don't get to see due to how things unfold.
 
Rroff said:
Ultimately you have the contention between bureaucracy and that their security was geared up for a much more minor incident - a park wide malfunction of that type wasn't "supposed" to happen - hosts weren't supposed to have that level of ability to decide things for themselves, etc.

Initially a lot of information was suppressed and those higher up probably didn't believe it was as bad as it was either and more interested in protecting and probably removing any signs of their own project before any wider enquiry or spotlight was placed on the incident.

Going to a full military capability to contain and stabilise would have probably been a last resort and the next step that we don't get to see due to how things unfold.
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This is how I viewed it. You've got a large corporation who knows it's been up to naughty dealings, they have some kind of insurrection at the park, they potentially don't know the severity especially in terms of the sentience of the hosts and could believe they're just going in to mop up a bunch of rogue robots who have become corrupted. If they do have a higher awareness of the issue how much are they relaying to the team on the ground?

In addition to all of that they have a vested interest in keeping the operation as small and low key as possible. At this stage you've got to assume they're doing as much as possible to keep the situation out of the public eye, especially given they seem to be the Westworld equivalent of Shin-Ra, or Weylan-Yutani. Finally even towards the end of the episode where they've won and are presumably completely clued up on what went down, they're still looking to identify potential salvage which suggests they intend to rebuild. With that in mind their best option from the beginning might have been something a bit more surgical than just destroying everything they can find with drones.

I'm not going to deny that the soldiers themselves lacked competence but the unprepared elite forces thing isn't just a trope of bad sci fi as another poster suggested, it's a trope of sci fi in general. It's a cornerstone of the natural (or man made) forces growing beyond your capability to contain concept and is indicative of the hubris shown by Delos in believing they could play God.

In terms of the series overall I was underwhelmed for about 4 or 5 episodes but then I really got into it. Having said that, whilst I like the depth of the show, I do fear it's starting to get bogged down in the metaphysical aspects of reality, I know they're aiming to kind of hold a mirror up to existence in a way but I feel like we might end up with something that is too dense and convoluted. I will definitely be tuning in for the next season though.
 
FortuitousFluke said:
In terms of the series overall I was underwhelmed for about 4 or 5 episodes but then I really got into it. Having said that, whilst I like the depth of the show, I do fear it's starting to get bogged down in the metaphysical aspects of reality, I know they're aiming to kind of hold a mirror up to existence in a way but I feel like we might end up with something that is too dense and convoluted. I will definitely be tuning in for the next season though.
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I think in a lot of ways they were trying to setup the next season as much as tell a story.

I was kind of disappointed though that they revealed the "real world" in the way they did and connected it so closely - there were a few hints in the first season that the "real world" outside the park wasn't quite all it seemed/something a bit more sinister and that possibly the park wasn't even on the same planet or point in time, etc. etc. which seem to have been discarded.
 
Rroff said:
I think in a lot of ways they were trying to setup the next season as much as tell a story.

I was kind of disappointed though that they revealed the "real world" in the way they did and connected it so closely - there were a few hints in the first season that the "real world" outside the park wasn't quite all it seemed/something a bit more sinister and that possibly the park wasn't even on the same planet or point in time, etc. etc. which seem to have been discarded.
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There was a lot of foreshadowing to that extent in terms of the dialogue about human nature and the conversation with the AI saying that the hosts aren't equipped to survive out there. I suppose we've not seen a picture of the world beyond a few flashbacks and we still haven't seen what lives outside the door that Bernard opened. It's possible that we're not going to get what we expect.
 
Just binged the second season, really enjoyed it, and again a little confused with the timelines.

Did anyone watch season 1 in chronological order? Someone took the very long time to make it, I wonder if it was worth watching, and if they'll do a season 2!

edit: http://www.chronologicalww.com
 
tres said:
Just binged the second season, really enjoyed it, and again a little confused with the timelines.

Did anyone watch season 1 in chronological order? Someone took the very long time to make it, I wonder if it was worth watching, and if they'll do a season 2!

edit: http://www.chronologicalww.com
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Surely it's better to wait until they've finished the entire story to see it in chronological order as I imagine future seasons will fit somewhere in between as well ?
 
Theoretically a lot of the new series was set outside the park IIRC but it is a bit confusing where they were taking it. Given where they left it they could very easily work in a destroyed set anyhow :p (not serious as obviously there is more to it than that).
 
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