What are you 3770k owners upgrading to?

willhub · 3 Apr 2018 at 20:05

jigger said:
Well the 290X and 290 for that is still comparable with most of the cards on the market today. Not bad for a card released in 2013.

290x isn't much more than a 7970 is it?

gavinh87 · 3 Apr 2018 at 20:06

jigger said:
Well the 290X and 290 for that is still comparable with most of the cards on the market today. Not bad for a card released in 2013.

Only because AMD have not produced anything significantly better than it. The other cards apart from vega are just rehashes of the 290.
If they could actually produce anything worthy of being called a successor then that 290 would have died much earlier. Although at 1440p as you are running it, its already being stretched.
As for nvidia, they have had no need to produce anything faster. Being so far ahead means they can put their feet up.

jigger · 3 Apr 2018 at 20:11

gavinh87 said:
Only because AMD have not produced anything significantly better than it. The other cards apart from vega are just rehashes of the 290.
If they could actually produce anything worthy of being called a successor then that 290 would have died much earlier. Although at 1440p as you are running it, its already being stretched.
As for nvidia, they have had no need to produce anything faster. Being so far ahead means they can put their feet up.

Ah, so you're fully aware how good the 290X is... I take it because it's made by AMD you must go through your usual internal struggle and argue until you look like a fool again.

jigger · 3 Apr 2018 at 20:13

willhub said:
290x isn't much more than a 7970 is it?

I'd need to spend over £400 to get an upgrade.

gavinh87 · 3 Apr 2018 at 20:18

jigger said:
Ah, so you're fully aware how good the 290X is... I take it because it's made by AMD you must go through your usual internal struggle and argue until you look like a fool again.

It's only "good" because AMD has stagnated in GPU advances.
Blame and hate intel and nvidia all you like its AMD that have been holding the PC back all these years. Imagine how far up the creek AMD would be now if intel and nvidia would have actually tried.
Its only now they are clawing back some of the CPU space. On the GPU front they're going to need a miracle.

willhub · 3 Apr 2018 at 20:29

jigger said:
I'd need to spend over £400 to get an upgrade.

I know, but I had a 7970 and compared to a GTX1060 or 1080, it's not even a potato, it's a sprout.

Doobedoo · 3 Apr 2018 at 20:39

gavinh87 said:
It's only "good" because AMD has stagnated in GPU advances.
Blame and hate intel and nvidia all you like its AMD that have been holding the PC back all these years. Imagine how far up the creek AMD would be now if intel and nvidia would have actually tried.
Its only now they are clawing back some of the CPU space. On the GPU front they're going to need a miracle.

Gavin strikes again.

gavinh87 · 3 Apr 2018 at 20:48

Doobedoo said:
Gavin strikes again.

I got triggered by the 290 being a good card in 2018 lol

Rroff · 3 Apr 2018 at 20:55

gavinh87 said:
I got triggered by the 290 being a good card in 2018 lol

Eh it is a sad indictment of the industry that cards like the 1070 and 1080 are considered "good" in 2018 never mind the 290.

gavinh87 · 3 Apr 2018 at 20:59

Rroff said:
Eh it is a sad indictment of the industry that cards like the 1070 and 1080 are considered "good" in 2018 never mind the 290.

Indeed. Its a sad state of affairs.

Doobedoo · 3 Apr 2018 at 21:08

Perhaps it just means good enough to warrant not paying the current over inflated prices, maybe

. In the sense that my 980ti will happily do me until normality resumes, not a potato anymore than it's a Titan.

Paying over inflated prices is a sad state of affairs imo.

gavinh87 · 3 Apr 2018 at 21:23

Doobedoo said:
Perhaps it just means good enough to warrant not paying the current over inflated prices, maybe . In the sense that my 980ti will happily do me until normality resumes, not a potato anymore than it's a Titan.

Paying over inflated prices is a sad state of affairs imo.

A 290 at 1440p is a struggle. I'm not sure how its good enough for anything other than older games.
But yes you are right, the whole PC market is on its arse thanks to mining and ram shortages.

jigger · 4 Apr 2018 at 01:04

willhub said:
I know, but I had a 7970 and compared to a GTX1060 or 1080, it's not even a potato, it's a sprout.

I'm not sure how the 7970 compares TBH. I did have a machine with a 7950 and the 290X system was a lot faster.

Nelly · 4 Apr 2018 at 05:08

gavinh87 said:
I got triggered by the 290 being a good card in 2018 lol

Rroff said:

Eh it is a sad indictment of the industry that cards like the 1070 and 1080 are considered "good" in 2018 never mind the 290.

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The majority of people out there don't even really care! Anything less than the 72% of 1080P and 10% 768P TV resolution users is just a niche/minority market anyway, same goes for anyone using above a GTX 1060. Take out the 1080ti, 1080, 1070 and the top 10 cards accounts for 60% of GPU users playing at 1080P or less and all Nvidia users.

Just counting the 8 Nvidia cards after that barring the 970, which accounts for 43% of the user base, they will find an AMD 290 a significant upgrade for around the same cash than the Nvidia cards they have already bought new at 1080P lol.

Rroff · 4 Apr 2018 at 05:16

Nelly said:
The majority of people out there don't even really care! Anything less than the 72% of 1080P and 10% 768P TV resolution users is just a niche/minority market anyway, same goes for anyone using above a GTX 1060. Take out the 1080ti, 1080, 1070 and the top 10 cards accounts for 60% of GPU users playing at 1080P or less and all Nvidia users.

It is a sad state none the less - things have stagnated into basically what was possible on 7+ year old process technology other than those at the niche with 1080ti/Titan cards.

JediFragger · 4 Apr 2018 at 06:02

Wait til Zen2 then get the 12c/24t version, the 3770k is still a very capable platform! Especially with a good overclock

Drollic · 4 Apr 2018 at 08:11

Rroff said:
It is a sad state none the less - things have stagnated into basically what was possible on 7+ year old process technology other than those at the niche with 1080ti/Titan cards.

Consoles aren't forcing things as this gen is now old though?

gavinh87 · 4 Apr 2018 at 08:45

Nelly said:
The majority of people out there don't even really care! Anything less than the 72% of 1080P and 10% 768P TV resolution users is just a niche/minority market anyway, same goes for anyone using above a GTX 1060. Take out the 1080ti, 1080, 1070 and the top 10 cards accounts for 60% of GPU users playing at 1080P or less and all Nvidia users.

Just counting the 8 Nvidia cards after that barring the 970, which accounts for 43% of the user base, they will find an AMD 290 a significant upgrade for around the same cash than the Nvidia cards they have already bought new at 1080P lol.

I'm not sure how reliable this is anymore. There are platforms such as origin and uplay that host a lot of demanding titles.
I'd bet a lot of these users fall into the CS group that play the same game year in year out.

Freddie1980 · 4 Apr 2018 at 13:39

gavinh87 said:
I'm not sure how reliable this is anymore. There are platforms such as origin and uplay that host a lot of demanding titles.
I'd bet a lot of these users fall into the CS group that play the same game year in year out.

So what if they are? I own a GTX670 and play mostly Age Of Empires 2 and older titles, why shouldn't I be included in the statistics? Old titles are fun and that's why people still play them. Most new games are played for a month or two and then cast aside never to played again.

Phage · 4 Apr 2018 at 17:10

Slightly back on topic, I went from the 4770k to a 1700x in BF1 and did a comparison here
https://forums.hexus.net/cpus/376546-4770k-4-3-1700x-3-8-bf1.html