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[NokkonWud]

I don't see pads as a superior method of control. I see them as an equal alternative.
I just happen to enjoy playing story driven or stealth games with the pad because I feel the slower, more patient approach is definitely more appropriate to the style of game.

Something like UT, Quake etc.. then I wouldn't want to play without Mouse & Keyboard because you need the raw speed.

 

[Inoshishi]

I don't see pads as a superior method of control. I see them as an equal alternative.
I just happen to enjoy playing story driven or stealth games with the pad because I feel the slower, more patient approach is definitely more appropriate to the style of game.

Something like UT, Quake etc.. then I wouldn't want to play without Mouse & Keyboard because you need the raw speed.

110% Agree!

 

[Darkwave]

I don't see pads as a superior method of control. I see them as an equal alternative.
I just happen to enjoy playing story driven or stealth games with the pad because I feel the slower, more patient approach is definitely more appropriate to the style of game.

Something like UT, Quake etc.. then I wouldn't want to play without Mouse & Keyboard because you need the raw speed.

So really, you and the people who have been arguing with you have just being saying the same thing all along. You just didn't realise it.

 

[Warbie]

exactly well said.

It sounds like you guys aren't practised enough with a pad to know what you're talking about. To save some time i'll just repeat what I wrote in a similar thread - 'Aiming tends to be slower which gives shooting a more measured, often more realistic, feel. You line up your rifle, lead the shot, take your time etc. The same scenario with a mouse and keyboard would likely end in a quick and easy twitch shot - very different.' Add analogue movement (far superior to keyboard), rumble and trigger buttons and you'll see why some people prefer this slower paced, more realistic and visceral control method for some kinds of fps. Remember, you can be every bit as accurate, just not as quick - just like with a real weapon (which is the main reason I like using a pad - it feels so much more like firing a real gun. The time it takes, the way you prepare the shot). But you can blame your inability to use a pad on it being handicapped if you like

Note, i'm not saying that either method is better - they're just different and each has their own advantages and disadvantages.

 

[NokkonWud]

So really, you and the people who have been arguing with you have just being saying the same thing all along. You just didn't realise it.

No, I was arguing with people who wrote the joypad off for FPS' when in actual fact it's just as good as M&K, just in other ways.

 

[Darkwave]

No, I was arguing with people who wrote the joypad off for FPS' when in actual fact it's just as good as M&K, just in other ways.

I don't think it's possible to say that is a fact at all. It's completely down to the individual, and this is why "PC gaming elitists" won't stop arguing with you until you and them both accept that.

I can't aim anywhere near as good with my thumb as I can with my wrist and fingers, and I envy people who can play console FPS games as naturally as I play PC FPS games. They're two completely different animals and you can either do one better or the other, but practise can get you equally good with both.

I used to be a pretty crack shot on Halo, but I've lost it. It's been a while since I used a pad a lot.

 

[Margaret]

I just happen to enjoy playing story driven or stealth games with the pad because I feel the slower, more patient approach is definitely more appropriate to the style of game.

I don't see what control method has to do with this, I'd happily use a joypad on a Splinter Cell game or so but if I did use a mouse and keyboard I don't see how the game would be any faster or slower.

That said I've played BioShock on PC and 360 and to me it feels the same speedwise, only difference is it's easier flicking between weapons and aiming is a tad better.

Both control methods offer the same immersion, I don't see how that comes into it the only difference is each of them are better for different games.

 

[NokkonWud]

I don't think it's possible to say that is a fact at all. It's completely down to the individual, and this is why "PC gaming elitists" won't stop arguing with you until you and them both accept that.

Why do we (me and the 'elitists') have to agree that M&K is better? I've said they are the same, both have benefits.

I can't aim anywhere near as good with my thumb as I can with my wrist and fingers, and I envy people who can play console FPS games as naturally as I play PC FPS games. They're two completely different animals and you can either do one better or the other, but practise can get you equally good with both.

I used to be a pretty crack shot on Halo, but I've lost it. It's been a while since I used a pad a lot.

Yep, it's all to do with practice.

 

[james.miller]

a mouse and keyboard is more accurate nobody can argue with that but that doesnt make it better for everything. that doesnt make it 'beter' at all. can you imagine goldeneye with an M+K? doesnt work, trust me.

a game is designed with a control set in mind. if designed properly, it makes no difference what you use. some games are ment for joypads. some just wouldnt work (counterstrike?)

That said I've played BioShock on PC and 360 and to me it feels the same speedwise, only difference is it's easier flicking between weapons and aiming is a tad better

a bit OT but i played bioshock on my friends 360 recently....it sure looked good but the framerate is pretty poor in places. i much prefer it on the pc!

 

[Darkwave]

Why do we (me and the 'elitists') have to agree that M&K is better? I've said they are the same, both have benefits.

That's not what I said. What you have to agree on is that neither is better, just that it completely depends on the person. If somehow your brain can turn what I said into "mouse is better" then there's no hope for you.

 

[Mephisto]

I agree that both controller and M&K have their benefits, and that they're both good in their own way, but I just cannot deny that a mouse offers a greater level of speed and precision whilst aiming. Surely the fact that developers put autoaim in console games and not PC games is indicative of this?

 

[NokkonWud]

That's not what I said. What you have to agree on is that neither is better, just that it completely depends on the person. If somehow your brain can turn what I said into "mouse is better" then there's no hope for you.

The only reason I thought you meant that is because you quoted this, then made is seem like I have to agree with what the elitists say because I said:

No, I was arguing with people who wrote the joypad off for FPS' when in actual fact it's just as good as M&K, just in other ways.

 

[NokkonWud]

I agree that both controller and M&K have their benefits, and that they're both good in their own way, but I just cannot deny that a mouse offers a greater level of speed and precision whilst aiming. Surely the fact that developers put autoaim in console games and not PC games is indicative of this?

That has never been denied though.

 

[Darkwave]

The only reason I thought you meant that is because you quoted this, then made is seem like I have to agree with what the elitists say because I said:

All I was saying is that, for FPS games, some people prefer to use a mouse and some people prefer to use a gamepad. Personally I am cack with a gamepad, and even with practise I wouldn't ever be as good as I am with a mouse, but I can accept that a lot of people out there are the opposite way.

This is the same realisation that you and the people arguing with you have to come up with. It's not a question of which is good and bad, or if they're both as good as eachother, because those are moot points when the individual is really crap with one or the other.

 

[Warbie]

but I just cannot deny that a mouse offers a greater level of speed and precision whilst aiming.

I don't think anyone would disagree with this, at least about the speed part anyways. My point is that all fps don't benefit from being able to aim and hit your target quickly and easily. I sometimes like the shooting itself to be a challenge.

 

[Inoshishi]

All I was saying is that, for FPS games, some people prefer to use a mouse and some people prefer to use a gamepad. Personally I am cack with a gamepad, and even with practise I wouldn't ever be as good as I am with a mouse, but I can accept that a lot of people out there are the opposite way.

This is the same realisation that you and the people arguing with you have to come up with. It's not a question of which is good and bad, or if they're both as good as eachother, because those are moot points when the individual is really crap with one or the other.

Your never going to be as good on a gamepad as you are on a mouse though, the gamepad isn't fast enough, but thats not to say the gamepad doesn't make a good FPS control method, because it does.

I've said this many times, my own personal preference is for the fast games like Quake, UT etc. the Mouse and Keyboard is most deffinately king! But for the slower paced stuff the control pad is just far better, I dont know if immersive is the right word, it just "feels better"

 

[Darkwave]

Your never going to be as good on a gamepad as you are on a mouse though, the gamepad isn't fast enough, but thats not to say the gamepad doesn't make a good FPS control method, because it does.

It's not just that really. I could just turn up the thumbstick sensitivity in options if I wanted faster aim, but my problems lie with things like the gamepad being more biased toward horizontal and vertical motions even on an analog stick and it's harder for me to do any curves. I also have a habit of undershooting or overshooting with a thumbstick, which would be made worse if I increased the sensitivity.

But, like I said, there are many people out there who simply have a talent for it, or they have had tons of practise that I haven't had in a long time. I'm sure there are many people out there who are crap with a mouse.

 

[nero120]

hey guys, thinking of getting a ps3 with the announcement of the upcoming price cuts. Can anyone tell me if the 60gig version is worth an extra £50 over the 40gig? Will the extra 20 gigs really make that much different in terms of games and blu ray usage?

 

[Warbie]

I doubt you'll notice the difference. Perhaps when the digital tuner is released for the PS3 some people may want more space to record things, but otherwise 40gb should be plenty.

 

[Inoshishi]

hey guys, thinking of getting a ps3 with the announcement of the upcoming price cuts. Can anyone tell me if the 60gig version is worth an extra £50 over the 40gig? Will the extra 20 gigs really make that much different in terms of games and blu ray usage?

You can upgrade the HDD yourself as easy as pie, so I wouldn't even consider paying £50 if all you want is the extra 20gb of space.