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Heh, I never started posting in this forum until I got my 360 recently, and even I know from brief readings that there is much fanboyism here even inbetween console gamers.
Console gamers also grace the PC Gaming forum now and again to troll just as much as you're saying PC gamers do here, but the fact is that you're still being part of the problem (and the biggest one I've seen in the last few days to boot.)
If you think that the Overclockers UK forums are too full of "closed-minded PC gamers" and that it's "an Overclocking forum, a forum for PC elitists" (both quotes are your own words) then you would probably be better off going somewhere else.
It's not the case though, a lot of games are programmed in a way to make the control pad nice to use, this is by using a form of auto-aim yes, however mostly it's minor (though it was a little OTT in The Darkness), but even then it's removable.
Something like Bioshock was programmed from the very start to use a control pad AND a keyboard, so it felt great with the pad. This is the case with most games now. This is why older games that were on PC and ported years ago all felt like crap (a perfect example would be Half-Life on the Playstation2) but these days console gaming is the big money earner so controls are programmed from the start.
Something like Bioshock was programmed from the very start to use a control pad AND a keyboard, so it felt great with the pad. This is the case with most games now. This is why older games that were on PC and ported years ago all felt like crap (a perfect example would be Half-Life on the Playstation2) but these days console gaming is the big money earner so controls are programmed from the start.
I wasn't just talking about you. Infact, I've not seen you in here until today.
That's a poor show from them, however I'm guessing it's not as menial as complaining about controls on a system where people know the control method before getting into it.
In what way am I part of the problem? I have done nothing in any way to raise any problem. I have merely defended the control method of console games?
I am somewhere else, I'm in the console section. I don't expect tripe from PC users complaining about control pads when they know that it's control pads that come with the system. I am active in console games and sports arena, so why should I leave?
I like the forums, but every forum has a select group of people who ruin it for the others.
I have done nothing but want to talk consoles in the console section, so in what way am I doing things wrong?
I have to agree, the console vs. console in-fighting is very strong from what I've seen here so it's definitely not "PC gamers wandering in and riling everyone up" at all.
The PC Games forum is much more peaceful, but as I said we do get the odd case of a trolling console gamer wanting to rile us up (very rare though) and we do get the odd time when Mav says a game sucks and everyone else comes down on him like a pile of bricks, but other than that it's simply more peaceful.
In fact the Console Gaming forum is more like the Graphics Card forum... ATI and Nvidia fanboys bitterly fighting it out, and if on the odd chance a PhysX fan shows up they're really in trouble.
I don't complain about the control scheme except for in FPS games, in which case I quit whining and limit my first-person shooters to the PC. I know what I got my Xbox 360 for and it's great for controlling them games.
My problem with you is that all I see you doing in this forum is cracking on and on about PC gamers and how they're this and that, I've already provided you with some rather seething quotes by yourself. It seems to me like you just have a vendetta and want people who play PC games to be out of "your" forum even if they have consoles too.
And since you think people here are "an Overclocking forum, a forum for PC elitists" and "closed-minded PC gamers" then maybe you should consider other forums with less of an emphasis on the PC side of gaming.
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I cannot believe the banter on here, her I was trying to start a debit about the potential of the Cell BE and weather it’s near super computer (theoretical) number crunching capabilities could help the PS3 be innovative...
I don’t post near as much as I used to in either of the gaming sections on these boards and really its all this almost uncontrollable bickering that has dampened my spirit, what happened to really informative and helpful intelligent individuals on these forums starting, and giving really helpful and useful information?
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I thought if you hadnt read your first post, you would think you asked was a PS3 better than a PC or whats the best controller! Theres still plenty of people on here with useful info but they nearly always get shouted down by fanboys trying to force there " I'm Right your not" opinions. Anyway the Cell is a theorectical power house, but its still in its infancy so im not sure if companies will risk truely innovative games. Games such as littlebigplanet have innovative ideas and if its as good as ive have heard it will be a game that will be as innovative as the people who play it.
I'd agree with that. However, if there were 'rival' PC's then it would be different. There are 3 different consoles, all of who have people rans of one and not others etc... there is only 1 PC so it's different.
I'm very pro PC... The PC is an exceptional format and the strongest of them all in terms of what it can and can't do. However, all I have stated against the PC is that it's game exclusives have been poor for around 3 years, which is has.I don't complain about the control scheme except for in FPS games, in which case I quit whining and limit my first-person shooters to the PC. I know what I got my Xbox 360 for and it's great for controlling them games.
My problem with you is that all I see you doing in this forum is cracking on and on about PC gamers and how they're this and that, I've already provided you with some rather seething quotes by yourself. It seems to me like you just have a vendetta and want people who play PC games to be out of "your" forum even if they have consoles too.
And since you think people here are "an Overclocking forum, a forum for PC elitists" and "closed-minded PC gamers" then maybe you should consider other forums with less of an emphasis on the PC side of gaming.
You seem very unaware that I was a massive PC gamer to the point I played Counter-Strike professionally and CSS (which I don't like) with the best players in the country, so to say I have a vendetta against PC is right off target, I love the PC.
What I can't stand is people who write the consoles off for reasons such as control pads, which is unfair.
Oh I agree completely, I think the PC section would be an utter warzone if there were different PC platforms. I mean you only have to look at the Graphics Cards sections to see how insane PC fanboys get.
See, you've made some very sincere-sounding comments there, but they just don't fall in line from what I've seen. You've been calling PC gamers closed-minded elitists and while I've been on here today you've been trying your best to say things like COD2 is superior on the 360 compared to the PC version.NokkonWud said:
It really sounds like you have some sort of vendetta, just from my perspective as an "outsider" and "relative newcomer" to this particular subforum.
I even agree with that, but I also think it's down to the individual above all. I suck at FPS games on console, I used to be great on Halo but now I've completely lost it, so even though I love my Xbox 360 and will continue buying games for it I'll just buy the FPS games for my PC instead.NokkonWud said:
To me this sounds like a logical solution, as I didn't feel it neccessary to write off the console platform just because of the pad, and I'd still buy other genres of games for my 360 (stuff like PGR4, Skate and Mass Effect I am really looking forward to at the moment.)
I think a lot of it is to do with the fact you've just arrived. I've never been one to mince my words and I know a lot of people I actually talk to regularly over MSN etc.. didn't get on with me at first because of how I speak on here.
I understand a lot of the time (and I do get this a lot..) that I come off very 'matter of factly' in how I speak, which isn't my intention. I'm pretty direct and straight to the point, so I can come off looking like a **** but, I can genuinely say, it's not me.
Everything about me is games (which is a very sad thing to say, I know), I support all 5 console formats and a PC (though my GPU is next to dead), I have a degree in games (BA Games Design) and I plan to be a professional 3D Modeller for games doing environments and texture design, so I'm more than open to all formats.
Also, I'm not calling all PC gamers 'closed-minded elitists', just some (notably the ones who won't accept the control pad as a valid and enjoyable control method. It's also worth noting that these are the type of people in generations gone by have always been negative to many things consoles, before this generation it was 'resolution'.
But on the topic of Call of Duty 2, it is widely known that it's superior on Xbox360 (at least SP wise as MP CoD2 on Xbox360 sucked ass), as it was smoother frame rate, sharper visuals and the finest control method for a FPS on a gamepad.
For the rest I can only appologise for what I assume was me coming off looking like a bit of a tit.
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I understand a lot of the time (and I do get this a lot..) that I come off very 'matter of factly' in how I speak, which isn't my intention. I'm pretty direct and straight to the point, so I can come off looking like a **** but, I can genuinely say, it's not me.
Everything about me is games (which is a very sad thing to say, I know), I support all 5 console formats and a PC (though my GPU is next to dead), I have a degree in games (BA Games Design) and I plan to be a professional 3D Modeller for games doing environments and texture design, so I'm more than open to all formats.
Also, I'm not calling all PC gamers 'closed-minded elitists', just some (notably the ones who won't accept the control pad as a valid and enjoyable control method. It's also worth noting that these are the type of people in generations gone by have always been negative to many things consoles, before this generation it was 'resolution'.
But on the topic of Call of Duty 2, it is widely known that it's superior on Xbox360 (at least SP wise as MP CoD2 on Xbox360 sucked ass), as it was smoother frame rate, sharper visuals and the finest control method for a FPS on a gamepad.
For the rest I can only appologise for what I assume was me coming off looking like a bit of a tit.
.That's not much of a valid argument as there are plenty who runs CoD2 faster, smoother and prettier on their PCs (myself included). The control scheme is entirely subjective as well.
If by optimization then maybe you're right - it shouldn't have to take something like a 8800 and a core 2 duo to get noticeably better than the 360 incarnation but it does. It's past that line where it's hard to argue reasons why the 360 would be the superior version.
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It's not handicapped in the slightest, just different. Surely that isn't hard to grasp?
I enjoyed Halo more with a pad than with a mouse.
Well that's you said basically, you said it made the game more challenging.
Yes I totally agree there, that unfortunately like you say fanboyism and pointless banter do seem to take over in the gaming section on her, but I guess it will always be there as long as there is consoles and ever increasing PC hardware,
tbh I love being a part of both if not only to see what’s just over the next hill technology wise
and I love your comment about "Little big planet" it really does look cool. I hope developers do start to bring more of these really unique idea's to the table I really do think it’s what the games sector needs XD-3
Sure, it was more challenging, but in a good way, not due fighting the controls.
Can you not understand that some games benefit from having to take careful aim and spending time over your shots rather than comparably easy twitch aiming?
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That's understandable, I'm the same way at times and I'm sure there's more than enough people who would agree with that.
I'm not sure what kind of PC gamers you're referring to with that description, so could you possibly clarify it for me and let me know? I'm mainly a PC gamer and the way I view gamepads is that while they're good in general, they do fall short of keyboard/mouse in certain genres like first-person shooters. Likewise that keyboard/mouse fall short of gamepads in genres like racing.
I wouldn't, however, write off the gamepad entirely. And if people are saying that then it's a bit short-sighted as some games on the PC (like the racing example I gave above) are controlled much better with a pad than a keyboard and mouse.
I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on that one as I just find playing FPS on a gamepad very restricting without auto-aim.
I have a decent gaming PC and a 360 running on a 720/1080i TV.
Love the PC for FPS's but the Xbox is great for lounging on the sofa with mates, while the PC is far superior in my eyes for some titles.
I have Halo3, but much prefered Airborne on the PC, in fact not really bothered with it that much, have more fun with PGR3.
I also think MS are conning the players with Xbox live, should be free, dont pay for multiplayer on the PC.
As for graphics the Xbox360 is not as good as PC but it is plenty good enough and with the added bonus of hooking it up to a 37" HDTV and a really comfy leather sofa more than makes up for it.
I can hook my PC up to my TV, but now have a dedicated computer room so just use the 20" Dell.
So all in all both are great worth having the best of both worlds.
I also hate FPS on a gamepad maybee thats why I havn't bothered much with Halo3.
Driving are not as bad though with the Pad, not as good as my FF wheel but very useable.
Love the PC for FPS's but the Xbox is great for lounging on the sofa with mates, while the PC is far superior in my eyes for some titles.
I have Halo3, but much prefered Airborne on the PC, in fact not really bothered with it that much, have more fun with PGR3.
I also think MS are conning the players with Xbox live, should be free, dont pay for multiplayer on the PC.
As for graphics the Xbox360 is not as good as PC but it is plenty good enough and with the added bonus of hooking it up to a 37" HDTV and a really comfy leather sofa more than makes up for it.
I can hook my PC up to my TV, but now have a dedicated computer room so just use the 20" Dell.
So all in all both are great worth having the best of both worlds.
I also hate FPS on a gamepad maybee thats why I havn't bothered much with Halo3.
Driving are not as bad though with the Pad, not as good as my FF wheel but very useable.
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You've pretty much said there, in one post what I've been trying to say in this thread. I also understand its down to opinions as usual. And some people, Nokkon in this case, See Pads as the superior method of control. And I can't really argue with someone's preference, I just for 1 don't see it.