What Console Should I Get

[Demon]

Everyones batteries are gonna die, and Im sure a vast amount of people will want to play online, need harddrive space or require WiFi. I think the points are 'counter-balanced' simply due to the fact they arent specific.

I actually totally agree with some of your points and agree with the comments..

But the comparison is a bit 'blind' and one sided..

For example (this may be petty, but still), if I spend £4.50 on a P&C kit from the bay, my 360 controller is now better featured then the PS3, I can use AA batteries, and I can also use the P&C which I can replace the battery pack myself. So how much do I have to spend to make up the lack of feature on the PS3? (Of course you can't easily replace the battery or use AA's in an emergency)

And Live is not PSN, although I like the fact PSN is free, I wish I could however pay to have the seemless chat/invites/achievements of LIVE, but I can't..

I do agree that all you can really compare is the absolute cost to do a specific function, like play a game online.. And that is all was originally said, i.e. "If you just want to play a game, it's cheaper on the 360".. I don't quite understand why it's not OK to say this when it's the simple case of just playing games, and you have to include all the other things a lot of people don't want/need?

 

[RDM]

I can make my 360 wireless for £5 ?, I'm intrigued please tell me more becuase I geniunely would like to do this.

Cheap ethernet wireless bridge off the bay. Plug it in to the ethernet port and bob's your uncle. Alternatively run a wire to it or use those ethernet over power point things.

Amusingly my PS3 wireless is so useless I had to wire it up in the end. No idea if it was positioning or just general issues with my hardware but the wireless network was shocking.

 

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Cheap ethernet wireless bridge off the bay. Plug it in to the ethernet port and bob's your uncle. Alternatively run a wire to it or use those ethernet over power point things.

ummm, they seem to be going for a bit more than £5 and that's second-hand as well, and also they look to be quite big and require a separate power source, I'm sure it works but tbh it looks a little cumbersome and probably not to everyone's taste including mine.

Amusingly my PS3 wireless is so useless I had to wire it up in the end. No idea if it was positioning or just general issues with my hardware but the wireless network was shocking.

Strange, never had a problem with mine, only in the day, but then that is down to my ISP traffic shaping me heavily, as soon as it hits 12 it runs like a dream @ nat 2, never had a drop out on-line, I have my PS3 assigned with a static IP and is whoring it in the DMZ on an old Belkin Wireless router.

 

[RDM]

ummm, they seem to be going for a bit more than £5 and that's second-hand as well, and also they look to be quite big and require a separate power source, I'm sure it works but tbh it looks a little cumbersome and probably not to everyone's taste including mine.

Last time I looked (and it was a couple of years ago) you could get a second hand one for about £5-£10 or so. Haven't really done much checking since as I just decided to wire it up instead.

Strange, never had a problem with mine, only in the day, but then that is down to my ISP traffic shaping me heavily, as soon as it hits 12 it runs like a dream @ nat 2, never had a drop out on-line, I have my PS3 assigned with a static IP and is whoring it in the DMZ on an old Belkin Wireless router.

Had no end of problems, was getting about 5Mb an hour download speed. Didn't matter how much I fiddled about with settings. As soon as I plugged it in direct, all was good.

 

[Abooie]

Maybe in volume but the PS3 already has the highest rated and most critically acclaimed RPG on it's system anyway, that being Valkyria Chronicles, the game is stunning.

Valkyria Chronicles is a strategy jrpg and can't really be compared to the likes of Mass Effect, Fable 2 or Lost Odyssey. It's a great game by all accounts even if no one I know who has it has actually played it much after the first week, and I'd certainly recommend it.

However if you'd genuinely recommend someone get a PS3 over a 360 on rpg grounds, and you're happy to disregard ALL rpgs on your non favoured platform you're really showing your colours.

 

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Valkyria Chronicles is a strategy jrpg and can't really be compared to the likes of Mass Effect, Fable 2 or Lost Odyssey. It's a great game by all accounts even if no one I know who has it has actually played it much after the first week, and I'd certainly recommend it.

However if you'd genuinely recommend someone get a PS3 over a 360 on rpg grounds, and you're happy to disregard ALL rpgs on your non favoured platform you're really showing your colours.

lol, relax there fella your post is giving me a suntan

If I'm being honest I completely forget about the western RPG's, when I think RPG my mind always sails away to Japen so yeah I guess your right, the 360 has a lot to offer on that front, and I didn't say that I would recommend a PS3 over a 360 to an avid RPG fan, I just like to plug Valkyria Chronicles where I can becuase it although it got rated very highly it didn't sell very well at all.

 

[Nanoman]

TBF for RPGs, PSP>*

 

[msmalls74]

TBF for RPGs, PSP>*

Well i would say PSP DS and the PS2 are still king of the JRPg, wasnt persona 4 the highest rated conosle jrpg of last year? So if you buy console on the strength of JRPGs then any other them will be fine, far better than either the 360 or PS3 at present. Still think many of the other JRPG devs are waiting on FF13 to see what direction to go in.

 

[orderoftheflame]

Yeah, that is a good point. The PS3 can't compete with the 360 in terms of rpgs. In other genres, the choice isn't so clear cut.

I'd swap all the 360 RPGs for Valkyria Chronicles.

Fortunately I don't have to.

 

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I'd swap all the 360 RPGs for Valkyria Chronicles.

Fortunately I don't have to.

Careful, you'll upset someone

 

[spirity]

I'd swap all the 360 RPGs for Valkyria Chronicles.

Haha, I don't think there'd be many who would share your view. Not if they're being honest, that is.

Swapping Blue Dragon, Mass Effect, Fable 2, Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata, Infinite Undiscovery, and Mass Effect 2 and Tales of Vesperia for Valkyria Chronicles is very poor judgement.

 

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Eternal Sonata is multi-platform

And Tales of Vesperia is Region Locked, and 'rumours' are there will be a PS3 version as well.

 

[spirity]

Eternal Sonata is multi-platform

Oops, so it is, my mistake!

Doesn't change the fact that the only viable choice for rpgs between the 360 and ps3 is the 360. The PS3 has some fantastic features. But rpgs are certainly not one of them.

The fact that this is even being questioned or argued against is all a bit too silly for me. I'm out.

 

[orderoftheflame]

Haha, I don't think there'd be many who would share your view. Not if they're being honest, that is.

Swapping Blue Dragon, Mass Effect, Fable 2, Lost Odyssey, Eternal Sonata, Infinite Undiscovery, and Mass Effect 2 and Tales of Vesperia for Valkyria Chronicles is very poor judgement.

Wow, you actually took me deadly serious?

Frankly I'd never pick a console on just the RPGs, I'm not the biggest RPG fan out there to be honest. However, I do love me a bit of Valkyria Chronicles.

 

[msmalls74]

Oops, so it is, my mistake!

Doesn't change the fact that the only viable choice for rpgs between the 360 and ps3 is the 360. The PS3 has some fantastic features. But rpgs are certainly not one of them.

The fact that this is even being questioned or argued against is all a bit too silly for me. I'm out.

True but it wont stay that way for long i expect, especially as it seems most of the 360 only JRPG have had poor sales and the only true JRPG for the PS3, white knight chronicles has out sold most of them in Japan. Any way best get back on topic hes choosen a PS3 so not much point discussing it.

 

[Chronictank]

I was just pointing out that the comment made previously "To just play a game the 360 is much cheaper then the PS3" was a fair and valid fact, but clearly the word 'value' was not meant in the same way you guys do...

And i agreed with you (well agree'd with someone before me) that if you wanted something cheap (initially, also said in my earlier post) then a 360 is the way to go
But value for money does not equal cheaper, it is what you get for your money which i have reitterated to make clear what i was putting forward a few times now.
I also thought it is a little underhand trying to trivialise that the only combination where the xbox comes out ahead is if you want a very basic gaming machine without any features except to play the games in their bog standard form (i.e. no added content), apologies if this wasnt your intention but it looked like that to me

I am no ps3 fanboy but i see that there are some cracking deals out there so advised the op not to look at the initial price because it was meaningless for the most part (thats where this all originated as someone disagreed with me so i showed my point of view) but which console has the most games that he wants to play.

 

[Demon]

And i agreed with you (well agree'd with someone before me) that if you wanted something cheap (initially, also said in my earlier post) then a 360 is the way to go
But value for money does not equal cheaper, it is what you get for your money which i have reitterated to make clear what i was putting forward a few times now.
I also thought it is a little underhand trying to trivialise that the only combination where the xbox comes out ahead is if you want a very basic gaming machine without any features except to play the games in their bog standard form (i.e. no added content), apologies if this wasnt your intention but it looked like that to me

I am no ps3 fanboy but i see that there are some cracking deals out there so advised the op not to look at the initial price because it was meaningless for the most part (thats where this all originated as someone disagreed with me so i showed my point of view) but which console has the most games that he wants to play.

This is where I don't see eye-to-eye (which is fine)..

The only difference in our opinion is that I relate Value For Money to the Customer, you relate Value For Money to the technical ability of the appliance..

I think the customer is the only relevant view point to relate these things to, as IMO it's just an academic exercise otherwise which serves nothing but to fuel pedantic arguments.


I do agree with the sentiment of all you are saying however, but I don't agree in the manner in which the extra cost is justified..

The old argument of the PS3 being uber value always assumes that anyone buying a 360 must add on all the features the PS3 has to be 'fair'..
However, this is wrong for 2 reasons
1. Most people don't need half the features to do what they want, and anything you don't need that you pay extra money for is bad value IMO
2. Unfair feature comparisons. E.G. That adding some of these features makes the 360 then more feature rich in those areas, but the assumption is you don't then add anything to the PS3 price to offset this, because there is no way of making up this feature gap. (For example adding a P&C kit to a controller on a 360, how do you then add AA battery support to a DS3? to make it the same?)

I think we just argue over all this, simply because it's so easy to skew your opinion/thoughts to suit whatever you believe.

I think personally, when these strong pro-PS3 arguments are mentioned, it sounds too much like a bad salesman's spiel, selling you stuff you don't need/want for more money on the pretence it's good value for money, when the truth IMO, as I've already mentioned, is that anything you pay extra for that isn't required is poor value for money for YOU..

That is all really...

End of the day, people can add up what they want/don't want and how much it costs etc and see what suits them, everyone will be different. I doubt on these forums with more dedicated gamers that cost rarely comes into it anyway, it's more about whether you prefer Sony to MS, or what your mates have (online with your mates > being online with strangers), or what particular games you really must have...

 

[Joebob]

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Just out of interest, what features which the PS3 has do think are not required?

 

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Dude I don't think anyone is saying that they 'have' to add all this extras, if your not intending to then of course the 360 arcade pack is stupendously good value for money, or even the pro pack for the matter, you'll see here what I said here,

Better value ?, I'm guessing most people will have this console for the next 4/5 years, even using the cheapest price you can get live for that amounts to £100/£125 just to play on-line, and then you better not need wireless in the future, £50 at the very least least, oh, and upgrading your hard drive, 360 120gb £70, PS3 160gb £30.

Now I'm not saying that your going to be needing all these extras, but if you do it certainly adds up.

If you'll be needing all these extra's, but then at the very least I'm guessing most people will pay for a live subscription and over the course of 4/5 years....