What even is American Grade 1 Maths?

[chroniclard]

Well employers have to take on people eventually, even if it means taking on people that can't communicate in English or count to 10 regardless of having straight A's in their GCSEs (yes thats called an over exaggeration, but is exactly what is happening).

Assume you can provide evidence for this and are not just basing it on your own individual experience.

 

[Malevolence]

Keep lolling while everyone with a UK based education remains unemployable.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Assume you can provide evidence for this and are not just basing it on your own individual experience.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/educati...school-leavers-illiterate-and-innumerate.html

 

[thenewoc]

Well employers have to take on people eventually, even if it means taking on people that can't communicate in English or count to 10 regardless of having straight A's in their GCSEs (yes thats called an over exaggeration, but is exactly what is happening).

It's a tough one because even if you're not applying for customer facing roles (which you'd need good English skills for) you still need English language skills to work with other people and for health and safety reasons. You're basically looking for unskilled work that you can do on your own and doesn't have health and safety implications.

 

[chroniclard]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/educati...school-leavers-illiterate-and-innumerate.html

You said everyone with a UK based education is unemployable. Not that a handful were illiterate.

Though it's behind a paywall so can't read it.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

You said everyone with a UK based education is unemployable. Not that a handful were illiterate.

Though it's behind a paywall so can't read it.

Hyperbole / exaggeration / LITERALLY instead of FIGURATIVELY, etc.

These are all common methods of speech.

 

[chroniclard]

Sure thing, pure delusion.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Sure thing, pure delusion.

Or pure ignorance on your part.

 

[FortuitousFluke]

If a person meets the minimum requirements, you do realize its illegal to refuse them just on the basis that they only meet the minimum requirements?

If you require more then you specify you need more on the job advert, this isnt hard!

Take it from someone that won a £1500 tribunal payout for being refused an interview even though I met the essential criteria. Job ad said 'No experience isn't a deal breaker', and they said I didn't have enough experience to be interviewed. This is an easy money win for any applicant that can be bothered to go to the tribunal over it.

Now want to explain why Mother Hubbards wouldn't even interview me when I have 5+ years retail experience, previous 6 months working at the M&S cafe, and a degree? Wish I knew about employment tribunals back then.

Hint, it wasnt because of the things other than the degree part.

The majority of job adverts as part of the person spec state minimum requirements and desirable. If I can evidence that I've scored you fairly and that you did not meet the same level as those I've chosen to interview then I can reject your application even if you meet the minimum.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

The majority of job adverts as part of the person spec state minimum requirements and desirable. If I can evidence that I've scored you fairly and that you did not meet the same level as those I've chosen to interview then I can reject your application even if you meet the minimum.

While that may be true, no job advert ever states 'minimum of A levels, desirable Degree’

Those generally apply to personal skills and experience.

I hope you don't make the mistake of writing 'While experience is preferred, no experience is not a deal breaker', and then refuse to interview people with no experience, as is what happened in my case.

 

[FortuitousFluke]

While that may be true, no job advert ever states 'minimum of A levels, desirable Degree’

Those generally apply to personal skills and experience.

I hope you don't make the mistake of writing 'While experience is preferred, no experience is not a deal breaker', and then refuse to interview people with no experience, as is what happened in my case.

Sounds like a fairly useless hiring manager but you won't see that on many adverts.

I'd say the majority of professional jobs have essential and desirable qualifications. My role for instance would include a degree as essential and MCIPS as desirable.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

Sounds like a fairly useless hiring manager but you won't see that on many adverts.

I'd say the majority of professional jobs have essential and desirable qualifications. My role for instance would include a degree as essential and MCIPS as desirable.

Oh I'm not talking about professional jobs, and I don't consider any job that simply allows any degree to be professional, just pompous.

There literally are no jobs that only require 'any degree', that couldn't be done by someone without a degree. What about people that have taken the vocational route and been trained up to NVQ Level 5? Would you refuse them over someone with a degree in Dance Theory?

 

[FortuitousFluke]

Oh I'm not talking about professional jobs, and I don't consider any job that simply allows any degree to be professional, just pompous.

There literally are no jobs that only require 'any degree', that couldn't be done by someone without a degree. What about people that have taken the vocational route and been trained up to NVQ Level 5? Would you refuse them over someone with a degree in Dance Theory?

The NVQ level 5 would be equivalent to a foundation degree so may well be enough, equally you might judge someone with x years on the job training as having demonstrated skills comensurate with attaining a degree. Diversity is good.

I wouldn't shy away from jobs that you don't meet the minimum for, just as long as you're willing to put the effort into a strong application that showcases why you think you meet the role requirements even if not as laid out in their spec. This is especially true in large organisations that are following a job role scheme. I've never been 100% qualified for any of my jobs and yet my hit rate is pretty strong. That's why just sticking in an application that just meets the minimum requirement is a crap idea.

 

[DXP55]

50p+50p=£1

Ordered two cups of tea once and teenager got calculator out and added it up - I said are you sure and he did it again -yes

There is no hope.
As on another page 8+8+1= 17 or 9+9-1 - I had no idea of making 10s

 

[adolf hamster]

then refuse to interview people with no experience, as is what happened in my case.

have you considered the possibility that they had enough applicants with experience of the role apply, that discounting people for not having experience was a viable strategy when allocating interview slots?

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

have you considered the possibility that they had enough applicants with experience of the role apply, that discounting people for not having experience was a viable strategy when allocating interview slots?

Whether or not, they also advertised positive about disabled which meant I only needed to meet the minimum criteria for a guaranteed interview.

Do you not think I'd be fed up after constant rejection for 5+ years for basic jobs that I meet all the criteria for?

I was still curious how working 5+ years in retail wasn't enough experience for a job that was just 'helping people do their shopping' on a zero hour contract (they said typically the people doing it only do about 4 hours a week).

 

[chroniclard]

Or pure ignorance on your part.

Sure, blanket statements with no evidence = me being ignorant.

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

50p+50p=£1

Ordered two cups of tea once and teenager got calculator out and added it up - I said are you sure and he did it again -yes

There is no hope.
As on another page 8+8+1= 17 or 9+9-1 - I had no idea of making 10s

Well according to all the teachers, and people who know teachers, and people who's wives are teachers, you're an idiot that doesn't understand basic addition if you dont know anything about the stuff in the OP.

All these people legitimately believing you have to teach these 'making 10s' things to kids to enable them to understand basic addition is exactly why education and kids today are so screwed over.

 

[Thekwango]

aww man. op, i hope you never over step the rules and get perma'd.....you're good value for a bit of a laugh from time to time. even though it's not fair or nice to laugh at the afflicted!

 

[BallistixOnZ490]

aww man. op, i hope you never over step the rules and get perma'd.....you're good value for a bit of a laugh from time to time. even though it's not fair or nice to laugh at the afflicted!

So far no one other than teachers and their friends understand the OP or agree that its a good way to teach addition.

Maybe just this once, you don't stop to think that the teachers might actually be wrong about this?

Its like trying to learn to sight read sheet music with 'all cows eat grass' etc, while this makes it initially easier to read music, its proven by classical musicians to make learning to sight read more difficult due to teaching an over reliance on using terribly slow mnemonics to read every note.