What have you done to your car today?

[Dis86]

How about here?

I don't see anyone throwing their toys out of the pram - we're discussing an issue. Or were you expecting everyone to just blindly agree your opinion?

Trying to antagonise people with words such as "Weaboos" and "Mothra" when most people on here are perfectly able to appreciate cars from all nationalities - doesn't really add any credence to your viewpoint.

Cars. Not manufacturers. Two different things. I definitely see people throwing their toys. Attempting to justify a recall because it was caused by an off the shelf part and not by the car manufacturer. As if that makes it ok.

Do Toyota not have a history of fairly shocking safety recalls? I'd say allowing an airbag to be used that fires shrapnel at the user is fairly indefensible. That's not a quality failure - they happen. It's a fundamental design failure that should have been picked up before the parts were used by Toyota by in-house testing.

Throwing stats about product recalls was again nothing but a defefensive attempt. Particularly when they don't show the reasoning. I know one bmw recall for example was due to increased corrosion rates in air conditioning pumps. Not sure that compares to shrapnel airbags or suicide accelerator pedals!

 

[Gaijin]

Cars. Not manufacturers. Two different things.

Oh I see. You've never heard of a car company being referred to as a manufacturer before? Or have we really descended into arguing semantics?

Do Toyota not have a history of fairly shocking safety recalls? I'd say allowing an airbag to be used that fires shrapnel at the user is fairly indefensible. That's not a quality failure - they happen. It's a fundamental design failure that should have been picked up before the parts were used by Toyota by in-house testing.

Sure Toyota should have picked it up. As should Takata. And BMW. And Ford. And Ferrari. And Jaguar. And Tesla. and....................



I suggest you take a coffee break or something you're clearly animated about this for some reason. I've never owned a Toyota and never plan to - no bias here!

 

[Conscript]

Throwing stats about product recalls was again nothing but a defefensive attempt. Particularly when they don't show the reasoning. I know one bmw recall for example was due to increased corrosion rates in air conditioning pumps. Not sure that compares to shrapnel airbags or suicide accelerator pedals!

Ahh, so are we ready to discuss properly now? Great

It wasn't a defensive attempt. Yes I've got a Toyota, but I don't have any particular loyalty to them, or Japanese cars.
Anyway ,you implied that their motto was ironic based on the number of recalls...

"Love the motto "always a better way", how many safety recalls is that now?"

When it was pointed out that the problem was not limited to Toyota, but to several brands, you seem to have extrapolated that to "Perhaps we shouldn't buy Japanese cars[sic]". All I did was point out that this is a silly extrapolation to make because the facts suggest that Japanese manufacturer recalls are generally lower than the industry average.

After an initially petulant response, you've now moved the argument on, which is fine, and you would have a stronger point here; further down that page on the link I gave you, there is also a table showing "Recall Severity by Automaker", where Japanese brands don't fare so well.

This is a different point though, as the original argument stemmed from criticising Toyota's mottos for how many recalls they had, which is nonsensical. If you want to now say "Their motto is ironic because they have a higher proportion of dangerous recalls", that's fine, but it wasn't what you seemed to be getting at initially, so please don't accuse me of defensiveness when I'm just pointing out facts to counter your statement. Like I said, I've got no dog in this fight...I'd still argue that it would be silly not to buy Japanese based on this though, but then there's lots of other factors to consider when buying cars.

Isn't this nicer when you don't start calling everyone names straight off the bat?

EDIT: Just saw you're bit about accelerator pedals. Again, just for clarity, I'd do some reading on this topic as the problem was not actually the pedal system, but a problem caused by floormats. I'll try and find a link if your interested.

 

[Dis86]

Ahh, so are we ready to discuss properly now? Great

It wasn't a defensive attempt. Yes I've got a Toyota, but I don't have any particular loyalty to them, or Japanese cars.
Anyway ,you implied that their motto was ironic based on the number of recalls...

"Love the motto "always a better way", how many safety recalls is that now?"

When it was pointed out that the problem was not limited to Toyota, but to several brands, you seem to have extrapolated that to "Perhaps we shouldn't buy Japanese cars[sic]". All I did was point out that the facts suggest that this is a silly extrapolation to make because the facts suggest that Japanese manufacturer recalls are generally lower than the industry average.

After an initially petulant response, you've now moved the argument on, which is fine, and you are correct and would have a stronger point here....further down that page on the link I gave you, there is also a table showing "Recall Severity by Automaker", where Japanese brands don't fare so well. This is a different point though, as the original argument stemmed from criticising Toyota's mottos for how many recalls they had, which is nonsensical. If you want to now say "Their motto is ironic because they have a higher proportion of dangerous recalls", that's fine, but it wasn't what you seemed to be getting at initially, so please don't accuse me of defensiveness when I'm just pointing out facts to counter your statement.

Isn't this nicer when we don't start calling everyone names straight off the bat?

But your point was utterly irrelevant. We're not talking about recalls in general which is the stat you provided. We're talking about safety. As is shown in the quote of my statement that youve provided. You attempted to defend them with a completely irrelevant point. As I pointed out, my car was recalled due to corrosion of a casing that affects a non safety related components lifespan. That's completely different to an accelerator fault that killed about 100 people.

Attempting to defend that is shameless.

In fact, you now concede they have a poor safety recall record. So what actually is your point?

 

[Conscript]

But your point was utterly irrelevant. We're not talking about recalls in general which is the stat you provided. We're talking about safety. As is shown in the quote of my statement that youve provided. You attempted to defend them with a completely irrelevant point. As I pointed out, my car was recalled due to corrosion of a casing that affects a non safety related components lifespan. That's completely different to an accelerator fault that killed about 100 people.

Attempting to defend that is shameless.

In fact, you now concede they have a poor safety recall record. So what actually is your point?

Seriously? Your initial claim is that their motto is ironic because they suffer a lot of safety recalls. I say this baseless they don't have a lot of safety recalls, nor does their motto imply anything to do with recalls, and I simply show stats proving this. How is that irrelevant to your point? You never implied you were making a point based on safety, or implied danger as a result of recalls....just on the amount of them.

When you moved the argument on to the actual danger arising from the recalls, that's when I agreed with you. Not initially. You're muddling two separate arguments. I still wouldn't agree that we should avoid all Japanese manufacturers as a result, but that's not the same as defending them...I'm not "defending" anything. I'm pointing out that your assertion that we should avoid buying Japanese brands as a result is an overreaction. So less of the accusing me of shamelessness please.

 

[Dis86]

Seriously? Your initial claim is that their motto is ironic because they suffer a lot of safety recalls. I say this baseless they don't have a lot of safety recalls, nor does their motto imply anything to do with recalls, and I simply show stats proving this. How is that irrelevant to your point? You never implied you were making a point based on safety, or implied danger as a result of recalls....just on the amount of them.

When you moved the argument on to the actual danger arising from the recalls, that's when I agreed with you. Not initially. You're muddling two separate
arguments. I still wouldn't agree that we should avoid all Japanese manufacturers as a result, but that's not the same as defending them...I'm not "defending" anything. I'm pointing out that your assertion that we should avoid buying Japanese brands as a result is an overreaction. So less of the accusing me of shamelessness please.

I literally used the word safety. It's in the quote and the further stats provided show that they're amongst the worst manufacturers for that. Honda being even worse still! Infact...nissan are worse again!

So really...japanese cars not looking great there.

 

[Conscript]

So why didn't you just say "yes, but that link also shows that they have more severe recalls, which is what I mean", rather than reverting to antagonistic replies as soon as I pointed out that their recall numbers were lower on the whole? It would have been clearer what point you were alluding your irony to then - to me, it looked like a simplistic criticism based on the frequency of them.

I'd still disagree with you because I don't base my car buying based on manufacturer recalls alone (does anyone?) so I wouldn't be disregarding Japanese cars. But we could have at least saved the arguing.

 

[Dis86]

So why didn't you just say "yes, but that link also shows that they have more severe recalls, which is what I mean", rather than reverting to antagonistic replies as soon as I pointed out that their recall numbers were lower on the whole? It would have been clearer what point you were alluding your irony to then - to me, it looked like a simplistic criticism based on the frequency of them.

I'd still disagree with you because I don't base my car buying based on manufacturer recalls alone (does anyone?) so I wouldn't be disregarding Japanese cars. But we could have at least saved the arguing.

Lol. I didn't say that as I didn't see that table at first. However I still think I was clear that my point was about safety, not general reliability. If it was I wouldn't drive a bmw.
So to clarify...i think given their recent track record with safety that Toyota's motto in that letter is ironic and a bit moronic.

 

[savagesam117]

I actually cleaned it!! Well the inside anyway, I can't be bothered to do anymore today.

Swapped my wheels front to back too.

 

[acemastr]

My Toyota dealer goes above and beyond for me, just got to find a good one.

 

[Dis86]

My Toyota dealer goes above and beyond for me, just got to find a good one.

The states tends to have a different customer service level compared to the UK.

Some dealers are great over here. Others are dogcrap.

 

[ShivP]

Do Toyota not assess the quality of their subsuppliers? In my previous role if one of our products failed and it was via a subsuppliers part the buck stopped at me from a client poibt of view. I wouldn't go whining saying it was someone else's fault. Internally we'd launch an investigation however inviting the client to be party to it if they wished.

Perhaps the better way is not to buy Japanese cars?

Things go wrong, tough ****. KFC ran out of chicken, deal with it. VW can't make enough 1.4TSI for audi/VW/Seat/Skoda models. Deal with it. EVerything can't be perfect

 

[Dis86]

Things go wrong, tough ****. KFC ran out of chicken, deal with it. VW can't make enough 1.4TSI for audi/VW/Seat/Skoda models. Deal with it. EVerything can't be perfect

I don't even know where to start with this. You're comparing running out of chicken to an airbag that has killed people because it fires high velocity metal shards at their face?

 

[Rybo89]

Had to claybar my car to remove metal fragments from a bit of work i did on it while ago. Genually thought i had wrecked my paintwork as the fragments had rusted and caused orange spots all in the paintwork around the back end and the roof of my car.

Claybarred it the other day and polished it this evening and it has come out spot on:

Phew..... Thought i was going to have to get the car resprayed when i first seen it.

 

[Flack88]

Unclogged the heater matrix on my Corolla that I bought last weekend, thing was full of gunk antifreeze. Blows red hot air now instead of cool air.

 

[Silly Goose On The Loose]

Gave my Mazda2 a clean with the pressure washer

 

[Akagi]

What on earth did I start in here.......

 

[Dis86]

@Rybo89 SHINEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Rybo89]

@Rybo89 SHINEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank god, honestly thought i had buggered my paintwork up.

 

[Akagi]

Unclogged the heater matrix on my Corolla that I bought last weekend, thing was full of gunk antifreeze. Blows red hot air now instead of cool air.

How'd you do it if you dont mind me asking? Mine is fine at the moment but I'm sure it will need it somewhen.