What is a good salary in UK at present?

malachi said:
When I said 99.9% of people, I was making a point most people in the UK are fully able to work.

You know exactly when I meant, everyone else in the thread understood that :confused: So I don't know why you are trying to be clever pulling out exact numbers.
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Not trying to be clever - just proving a point that what you said was just silly and more so when you double downed on it.

You've been successful in your working life and managed to get to a good place financially (I am assuming given your posting) but your lack of awareness and/or care of what can hold people back, other than "being lazy", is just incredibly naive and can be quite insulting to people who work hard.
 
Richie said:
You've been successful in your working life and managed to get to a good place financially (I am assuming given your posting) but your lack of awareness and/or care of what can hold people back, other than "being lazy", is just incredibly naive and can be quite insulting to people who work hard.
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The last time I checked, people who work hard get rewarded. You see that throughout all of life since the dawn of time. So please me, how would the working hard be insulted by what I said?
 
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malachi said:
Heard this plenty of times then comes the saying "Work smarter not harder" Smart thing to do is go where your hard work goes noticed therefore you get the rewards.
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So you agree that not all people who work hard get rewarded :) I reckon most don't get rewarded.

You need to work hard and smart. Or just smart and **** off (perform sexual acts) the right people.
 
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sigma said:
So you agree that not all people who work hard get rewarded :) I reckon most don't get rewarded.

You need to work hard and smart. Or just smart and **** off (perform sexual acts) the right people.
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No because you can still move to the next place and get the same outcome. So that raises the question, are you really working hard or you just working the same as everyone else? :)
 
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malachi said:
No because you can still move to the next place and get the same outcome. So that raises the question, are you really working hard or you just working the same as everyone else? :)
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I'm not on about you or me. I'm on about the country as a whole. Lots of people work hard.

You said people who work hard get rewarded, what you should have said is people who work smart get rewarded. I can agree with that. Hard work alone is not enough.
 
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malachi said:
The last time I checked, people who work hard get rewarded. You see that throughout all of life since the dawn of time. So please me, how would the working hard be insulted by what I said?
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Define "hard work". I sit at a desk in front of a computer in a comfortable, air-conditioned office for 8 hours a day and rarely have to work out of hours. I probably earn a lot more than most nurses, labourers, police officers etc, and I'd suggest they work a lot "harder" than me, or at least work in much more difficult conditions and for longer hours. Where's their reward?
 
squerble said:
Define "hard work". I sit at a desk in front of a computer in a comfortable, air-conditioned office for 8 hours a day and rarely have to work out of hours. I probably earn a lot more than most nurses, labourers, police officers etc, and I'd suggest they work a lot "harder" than me, or at least work in much more difficult conditions and for longer hours. Where's their reward?
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Go and ask them and let me know what they say :)
 
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malachi said:
The last time I checked, people who work hard get rewarded. You see that throughout all of life since the dawn of time. So please me, how would the working hard be insulted by what I said?
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Because some people do work hard in their jobs but, through external factors outwith their control, end up in low paid roles and you've just come up and called them all lazy for "not bettering themselves"
 
Imi no amount of 'working hard' in a low paid role is going to get extra money (in that job). You could argue that working hard to change jobs would get a payrise, and it seems that only changing jobs seems to give decent payrises (nice reward for loyatly :rolleyes: ).
 
Richie said:
Because some people do work hard in their jobs but, through external factors outwith their control, end up in low paid roles and you've just come up and called them all lazy for "not bettering themselves"
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But they could decide to drive themselves to change job and do something different. If everyone did that and chased the money then the jobs that paid rubbish would have to raise their game.

Case in point I was in a middle management roll in a factory. Pay rises had been rubbish for years and company "streamlining" meant more and more responsibility was forced onto me. Coupled with Brexit trying to get the staff to run a normal day was becoming a stress that I didn't want. Thinking what I could do quickly as I had enough I did my HGV licence due to 30%+ pay increases over the past 2 years. It is a hard job yeah but my pay has increase by around 10 grand.

I still keep an eye on my old sector and low and behold they are struggling to get people in (They offered me a 3 grand pay increase when I handed my notice in) and they are now offering more money but it would take a lot more than that as I am very comfortable and happy in my job now which wasn't the case at the end of my old one.
 
adam cool dude said:
Case in point I was in a middle management roll in a factory. Pay rises had been rubbish for years and company "streamlining" meant more and more responsibility was forced onto me. Coupled with Brexit trying to get the staff to run a normal day was becoming a stress that I didn't want. Thinking what I could do quickly as I had enough I did my HGV licence due to 30%+ pay increases over the past 2 years. It is a hard job yeah but my pay has increase by around 10 grand.
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And how much did you have to invest in getting your HGV licence including training, tests, CPC, tacho etc etc?
 
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