What is white privilege?
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Here's an idea - they could put it online.
Of course, people who make random unsupported assertions could explain their well known "established definition" or even post a link or two to support their deliberate misuse
considering that conclusion came out evidence that BAME people do not access the countryside as much as white people, why do you think that is? Is it socioeconomic? Is it cultural?
You've not answered the question I asked and posted a question in return. Useful. I've got a theory and it's bugger all to do with ethnicity.
The majority of BAME people in the UK live in the large urban centres. Areas where people, regardless of their ethnicity, tend to access the countryside less anyway. Hence they are just displaying the same trend as anyone else in these areas. Nothing to do with their race.
So the majority of BAME people live in large urban areas, which tend to access the countryside less, but that has nothing to do with race? Righto. Case closed, let's move on.
I'd argue that it tends to be the poorer of people who live in large urban areas who don't access the countryside as much and that more affluent urbanites access it just fine in comparison. Would you agree?
That's not a race issue though, is it? That's a poverty issue.
Yes. It is. And there are plenty of studies that show that BAME groups, especially in urban areas, are over represented in the poverty stakes too.
Yes, much of this is correlation and not causation, but the facts are BAME access to the countryside is diminished when compared with non-BAME in similar socio-economic classes. You can't just dismiss that by saying that's entirely caused by something non-race related. I've not read the report (have you?) but I'd bet beyond the headline, the exploration of cause would be complex, some of it economic, some of it cultural.
Access to the country side? Just get on a train. Go to a park. There are ways to access the countryside that don’t even cost money.
This is less a race issue it’s more of an economic one. White poor people face many of the same problems. Going to a job interview with a working class accent for example can go against you. This is why the term ‘white’ privilege is such a farce. The issue is way more complex than purely one of race, so why label it why ‘white’ privilege.
Precisely. Poor white people have the exact same issues.
Have we really just had 3 pages of people debating why black people don't go to parks and the countryside because someone linked it to the mythical white privilege?
Damn white people and their *checks notes* desire to go for walks in the country.
Christ almighty, nuts.
Damn white people and their *checks notes* desire to go for walks in the country.
Christ almighty, nuts.
Indeed. Of course I know why it’s labelled white privilege, and that’s because it’s a theory pushed by people of a particular political position that have an agenda. The fact that a lot of my white Eastern European friends also face similar problems doesn’t fit this narrative. Nor does the fact that for almost all of this countries existence, this economic position was largely, and still is, held by white working class people. Who faced, and continue to face health, economic etc problems. The slums of London were always historically white working class.
In the larger cities a great portion of those people have been replaced by people from other ethnic backgrounds, over a very short period of time. It’s logical that with that in mind many of them then face the same problems the white working class always did for most of their existence.
So it isn’t a question of race, it’s a question of economics, finance and social positions.
On the topic of access to the countryside it’s absolute nonsense. No one anywhere is stopping anyone from visiting any part of the country. They maybe have to travel further on account of geography and inhabiting city centres, but again - this is a ‘problem’ that was faced and is faced by other ethnicities. Most of the children during the blitz that went to the country had never seen anything like it.
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Frankly, it was the other way around. Someone said how BAME people don't go to parks and the countryside as an example of why white privilege doesn't exist.
But then, as always with these things, confirmation bias is king.
Yep, white working class people do face many of the same challenges, however, I believe the study in question also brought evidence of challenges specific to BAME people or the amalgam of specific BAME issues that have resulted in increased inaccessibility. Unless it did, I find it hard to believe it would have drawn the headlines and provoked the kind of reactions it did, mainly in people who have dismissed it as airy fairy lefty bull****.
I read it differently..
Seems to me the poster in question is arguing that for focus groups for activities that are 'majority white' where none is needed. Specifically as Dis brought this up as an example of how stupid the concept of white privelge is.
I’m struggling with the concept. Any idea what these particular issues are?
If a white person lives next door to a black person, both from the same social and economic background I’m finding it particularly difficult to understand why a person with a different shade of skin will find it harder to access the countryside over his or her white neighbour. When the only accountable difference is one of skin colour.
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