What is white privilege?

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Dis86 said:
Easily. He spent the money he earned on charitable causes.
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Philanthropy is a humanitarian endeavour. Philanthropy is not simple charity. How can one be a philanthropist whilst at the same time having such utter contempt for their fellow man to the point of literally commoditising them?

The Running Man said:
Like mercedes then? Or not like Mercedes?
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Can you please give it a damn rest with Mercedes?

Mercedes air their dirty laundry and their forced labour shame on their corporate website: https://www.daimler.com/company/tradition/company-history/1933-1945.html

Initially, the company recruited women in order to cope with the required unit volumes. However, as staff numbers were still too low, Daimler-Benz also used forced labourers. These prisoners of war, abducted civilians and detainees from concentration camps were housed close to the plants. Forced labourers from western Europe lived in guest houses, private accommodation or schools.

Workers from eastern Europe and prisoners of war were interned in barrack camps with poor, prison-like conditions. Concentration camp detainees were monitored by the SS under inhumane conditions. They were “loaned out” to companies in exchange for money. In 1944, almost half of Daimler Benz’s 63,610 Daimler Benz employees were civilian forced labourers, prisoners of war or concentration camp detainees.

After the war, Daimler-Benz admitted its links with the Nazi regime, and also became involved in the German Industry Foundation’s initiative “Remembrance, Responsibility and Future”, whose work included the provision of humanitarian aid for former forced labourers.
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You haven't unearthed some great conspiracy or found some massive 'gotcha.' They are upfront and say that they used forced civilian labour from concentration camps.
 
Mushy Peas said:
Philanthropy is a humanitarian endeavour. Philanthropy is not simple charity. How can one be a philanthropist whilst at the same time having such utter contempt for their fellow man to the point of literally commoditising them?



Can you please give it a damn rest with Mercedes?

Mercedes air their dirty laundry and their forced labour shame on their corporate website: https://www.daimler.com/company/tradition/company-history/1933-1945.html



You haven't unearthed some great conspiracy or found some massive 'gotcha.' They are upfront and say that they used forced civilian labour from concentration camps.
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No we are saying that LH is preaching yet drives for a company that was directly implicated with the nazi regime.

He could refuse to work with them right?
 
Mushy Peas said:
Philanthropy is a humanitarian endeavour. Philanthropy is not simple charity. How can one be a philanthropist whilst at the same time having such utter contempt for their fellow man to the point of literally commoditising them?
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What if you don't view certain people as human?
 
The Running Man said:
No we are saying that LH is preaching yet drives for a company that was directly implicated with the nazi regime.

He could refuse to work with them right?
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I'm just going to cut straight to it and ask what your point is.

For context and clarity of good-faith posting, I don't give a tart's furry cuff about Lewis Hamilton or people's views on sports personalities in general. In fact I find that more often than not they're alienating to the causes they bring awareness to purely because the vast majority of us have so little in common with the ultra-wealthy and their lifestyles of luxury.

If your point is that it is insulting to be preached to by somebody who lives a life of excess that most of us can only dream of, sure I am in total agreement that it is, but I have no idea where you're going with that in the context of this thread. It's a very weird derail.

Dis86 said:
What if you don't view certain people as human?
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Doesn't really seem very humanitarian or philanthropic to me.
 
Hagar said:
That is entirely reasonable as long as it does not apply to groupings based on heritage etc.

I am sure some individual human beings are borderline worms.
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What if you viewed people differently based upon sex, and made them dress differently and made them sit separately at important functions and made them worship separately?
 
The Running Man said:
What if you viewed people differently based upon sex, and made them dress differently and made them sit separately at important functions and made them worship separately?
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Not going there, but I do have strong views on Islam and all world religions basically. There is a can of privileged worms.
 
Cleisthenes said:
I can't help but think that a lot of people in here are thinking that white privilege is very clear cut, it would be worth your time to read up on it
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Let's guess someones half read some activist book and now thinks they can lecture people on the internet about how they need to 'read more' and buy into whatever nonsence is being pushed re supposed "white" privellege....


Cleisthenes said:
if you're willing to put the work in. I'm reading 'Slay in your lane' at the moment
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I'm willing to bet you put very little effort in yourself beyond skim reading a book that likely supported your prejudices.

Cleisthenes said:
which whilst a terrible title does touch a lot on the small things that build up to make life harder for black people, and in particular black women.. For example where less black students being accepted to higher level universities, where whilst there are numerous reasons for this, one such is that teachers typically predict lower grades for black pupils which means they are less likely to get offers into 'better' universities.
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Well lets look at some actual stats shall we?

I haven't read 'slay in your lane' but can you tell me if the book told you that blacks have been shown in the past to be more likely to be overpredicted A level grades than under (vs whites) ?

The extent of over- and under-prediction of A level grades based on ethnicity of the applicant

Whites

Percentage overpredicted - 40.37%
Percentage correctly predicted - 53.01%
Percentage underpredicted - 6.62%

Black's

Percentage overpredicted - 53.77%
Percentage correctly predicted - 39.13%
Percentage underpredicted - 7.1%

As you can see a relatively slight undeprediction rate is dwafed by a much larger overprediction rate for blacks vs whites.

So it's far from apparent that a black student would be "less likely" to get an offer from a 'higher level' University based on their predicted grades.

Especially considering that in general you need 'A' grades to get into a more prestigious university and these appear to be the most consistently predicted grades regardless overall.

 A grades were predicted most accurately with 63.8% of A grades having been accurately predicted.

 C grades were the least accurately predicted with only 39.4% accurately predicted.
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So the evidence suggests that blacks would be more likely to be provisionally offered a place (at least based on their predicted grades) to an "high level" University, that they later would not get the grades for, than whites.

This is supported in the data itself which shows that whites were much more likely to achieve an `A' grade having been predicted a lower grade than either black Africans or black Caribbeans!

Table 13 - percentage who achieved an 'A' grade having been predicted a lower grade (in descending order of predicted grade from B downwards)

Black Caribbean - 5.85 + 0.19 + 0.75 + 0 = 6.54%

Black African – 6.61 +1.03 + 0.27 + 0 = 7.91%


White – 9.64 +1.04 +0.63 + 0 = 11.3%


A higher overall rate of incorrect predictions for blacks vs whites might superficially appear bad in of itself but it still would not be automatic evidence of bias (either way) for example does the 'average' black student study the same range of subjects as the 'average' white one?

Are all subjects equally as easy to predict grades for? (i strongly suspect not)

And of course what gets billed as "white privilege" is often a mask for some thing else...


Let's look a socio-economic background.....

5.2 Socio-economic background

The next applicant characteristic examined was social class which appeared to have a strong effect on grade prediction accuracy.
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Table 10: The extent of over- and under-prediction of A level grades based on the socio-economic background of the applicant.

Higher managerial (the highest socio-economic category)

Percentage overpredicted - 36.19%
Percentage correctly predicted - 58.25%
Percentage underpredicted - 5.56%

Routine (the lowest socio-economic category)

Percentage overpredicted - 49.5%
Percentage correctly predicted - 42.82%
Percentage underpredicted - 7.68%

So a white male from a poor background could be expected to be more likely to have his grades under predicted than a black woman from a richer one!

Cleisthenes said:
If you actually want to learn about all this rather than just spouting tripe on the internet then maybe start by buying a book which looks at the alternate view point.

if you aren't willing to do that then you're a lost cause unfortunately.
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Physician heal thyself......

And remind me again which group is least likely to goto university?

About 33% of white British school students enrolled in university in the academic years 2010/11 and 2011/12.

That is the lowest enrolment rate of any ethnic group

—next lowest is Black Caribbean students at 37%. By comparison the highest performing groups were Chinese students (76%), Indian students (67%) and Black African students (57%).

Recent research suggests white British attendance has fallen since then.
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The Running Man said:
That's what blm are doing to us, asking us to apologise for the slave trade of 200 years ago.
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Fun Fact....BLM actually isn't about Black People, its another front for Feminism. Just look at the percentage of women at these so called BLM protests (and who is actually doing the shouting).......Same with LGBT protests.

You dont see many men at these events.
 
malachi said:
Fun Fact....BLM actually isn't about Black People, its another front for Feminism. Just look at the percentage of women at these so called BLM protests (and who is actually doing the shouting).......Same with LGBT protests.

You dont see many men at these events.
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BLM politically, like large swathes of modern day feminism, is ultimately a front for marxism.

BLM dont even try to hide it.
 
chroniclard said:
Edward Colston, the statue toppled and chucked in the river, was a prominent slave trader. Seems fairly legit he should not be celebrated.
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You only need look at reporting on the majority black, supposed rainbow nation of South Africa to see what utter hypocritical nonsence the statue toplling craze represents in the UK and USA.

The Zulu's were (not so well) remembered for their vicious warmongering and expansionist drive (launched under Shaka) through the south of the African continent which is known as the Mfecane 'The Crushing'

'The Zulu practice was to absorb only the women and young men of a clan or village. They killed the elderly and men of fighting age; the lucky ones escaped.'

It was of course this expansionistic, bloodthirsty warmongering that bought the Zulu's into conflict with another, at the time, colonialist force, The British Empire, around the time of the Battle of Rourke's drift .

Fast forward to today and we have the wonderful 'Rainbow nation' that is South Africa complete with legitimised open state racism against whites and we find a fairly recently re dedicated airport named in honour of the bloodthirsty murdering tyrant that was Shaka....

King Shaka International Airport so dedicated in 2010...........


An internet search for 'controversy king shaka zulu airport' on a popular internet search engine brings up a front page filled with stories concerned not with whether it was a good idea, in modern times, to name an international airport after a murdering, expansionistic warlord but instead a page filled with articles about how people were annoyed that a recently erected statue to said murdering tyrant didn't show him armed to the teeth with the very weapons used by his troops to kill what may have been 1 - 2 million of their fellow 'black' Africans


Of course the good old BBC described Shaka rather euphemistically as being a 'Warrior King' where as they describe a white man (who was arguably far less destructive in his time), Cecil Rhodes as being an'imperialist'
 
stockhausen said:
Has this got anything at all to do with "White privilege" or are you just trolling?
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That it's not just white people who have privilege to act in certain ways, or do certain things which may be considered to be a bit 'crook' to use an aussie expression.

But we all tend to turn a line eye to it, as part of privilege of being part of their culture.

A push for equality that does away with white privilege for example should not exempt privileges that other cultures have as we push towards the panacea of 'equality'.

It should be afforded to people of all gender, sex, race, culture by everyone of those race/cultures.
 
stockhausen said:
I look forward to the usual suspects accusing Stormzy of hypocrisy ;)
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From what i can see the organisation he gave money to does not just give finacial aid to one ethnic group (or just 'BAME') with a white male on their page of previous listed schoolars who have benefitted from the program.

https://blackheartfoundation.org/scholarship-programme/

I don't think many people on these forums object to finacial aid to help poorer people attend further education (especially when it comes from charity).

Just not when it has racist conditions attached that, for example discriminate against the group that is already one of the least likely to attend University on a per capita basis (whites).
 
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