What is white privilege?

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One of the most frustrating things about the 'BLM' movement is how little scrutiny the core claims of either the movement or the organisation are subjected to in wider circles.

In short you either have to be wilfully ignorant (maybe the sort of person to use a racially pejorative insult whilst trying to make a point for supposedly "anti racist" organisation?) of clearly accessible facts or have malicious motives to support either the BLM movement or organisation.

The malicious motive is the usual one that such "activist" movements have which is agitation for the repeatedly failed ideology of socialism by trying to usher in social unrest.


One simply phrased question destroys the whole premise of so called "white privilege" ..... namely if "white privilege" is a thing that explains most or all of the disparities we see why do certain non white groups consistently outperform whites in white majority countries like the UK and USA?


BLM can mean one of two things both of which make no sense to support.

One is a violent, nasty, anti semitic, Marxist organisation that, amongst other things, wants to do away with the traditional family unit and get rid of the police.

The other is a vague sentiment following the meaning of the words in the slogan....

.... with the suggestion being that society as a whole doesn't care for black lives or cares for them less than other ethnicities.

This is demonstrable nonsense.

The single biggest cause of a violent untimely death for a black persons at the hands of another in the UK and the US is being killed by another black person.

It's true that most whites murdered are murdered by other whites but the rates for blacks killing blacks, on a per capita basis are massively higher than the rates for whites killing whites.

Interracially, on a per capita basis, blacks kill whites at around twelve times the rate as the other way around in the US.

As of July of 2016 African Americans were the largest racial minority, amounting to an estimated 12.7%

In the same year the FBI figures for homicides nationwide shows that, where the race of the offender was known, this was the break down for homicides involving blacks and whites as either victims or perpetrators.


White victim total = 3,499

Pepetrator White = 2,854
Perpetrator Black = 533

Black or African American victim total = 2,870

Perpetrator White =243
Pepetrator Black = 2,570

So what can we glean from these figures?

For whites just over 81.5% of murders were committed by other whites

and just over 15. 2‰ were committed by blacks

For Black's the figures were just over 8.46%
murded by whites


and over 89.5‰ for deaths at the hands of other blacks.

And let's look at the absolute figures..

Black's killed 533 whites when they made up 12.7‰ of the population

And whites killed 243 blacks when they made up 76.9‰ of the population

So not only did whites kill less blacks then the other way around in overall numbers they did so whilst having over six times as many people in the country!

So you could express the racial disparity in interracial homicides in the USA, on a per capita basis, between blacks and whites as being in the region of over a factor of twelve in favour of the blacks much more frequently being the perpetrators in interacial murders between the two groups (just over six times as many whites as blacks in total and in absolute figures blacks kill over twice as many whites as vice versa)

The police kill, arrest and stop a disproportionate amount of blacks based on their percentage of the population but these disparities are caused primarily by the disproportionate violent crime rates for blacks as reported by witnesses to crimes.

U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics

Criminal Victimization, 2017

TABLE 10
Nonfatal violent incidents, by total population, victim, and offender demographic characteristics, 2017

In about three-quarters (76%) of violent incidents where perceived offender characteristics were reported the victim perceived the offender to be male.

Based on victims’ reports, there were about four-fifths as many white offenders as the percentage of whites in the population, about twice as many black offenders as the percentage of blacks in the population, and about one-sixth as many Asian offenders as the percentage.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv17.pdf

In the US whites arrested for violent crimes are significantly more likely to be killed by the police than blacks arrested for violent crimes.



The claim is often then made that blacks commit more crime either because they are poor or because of some legacy of suffering from slavery and segregation.

Neither of these make any sense when examined more closely.

There are nearly three times as many whites living in poverty in the US than blacks as an absolute number (the percentage for blacks as group is about double that of whites but there are far fewer blacks overall than whites).

From 2018 figures there were around 25, 295,122 White Americans living in poverty (as defined by the federal governments poverty threshold)

vs 9,148691 blacks living in poverty

https://www.povertyusa.org/facts
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120218

So if poverty was the main issue then the poor whites should be massively inflating the rate of overall violent crimes for whites vs the smaller number of blacks living in poverty on the US.

If a legacy of oppression was the cause of crime then we could expect one of the most consistently oppressed groups in all of history (the Jews) to top the per capita rates for violent crime but we don't see this.

Instead we see them and other minority groups who often entered the US poor like Koreans and Indians not only surpassing blacks in many metrics (including not being arrested or incarcerated) but also significantly beating the white majority in many cases.

The conclusion should be obvious.

Culture matters and not all cultures are equal.

Whites don't underperform Koreans in many metrics in the US due to racism, systemic or otherwise, they do so because large parts of white culture in the US are inferior to large parts of the culture adopted by Koreans living in the US when it comes to things like economic success and avoiding incarceration.

The same applies to other racial groups when compared to one another.

You can also look at the significant disparities within 'blacks' as a group.

Whites are one of the least likely of all racial groups to goto university in the UK.

Afro Caribbeans attend a rate close to whites but black Africans attend at a much higher rate than either whites or Afro Caribbeans.


Again the answer is in culture not racism.

An increasing amount of people are done taking uncritical lectures by the likes of BLM supporters, their sycophants and the degenerate Marxists taking advantage of the chaos they cause about things like supposed white privilege because their claims are all based on lies.


If you want to see a truly disgraceful example of massive unjust disproportionality consider that, based on fairy recent figures, that the ratio of interracial crime rate for violent offences in the US between Blacks and Asians was so bad that Black on Asian violent crime was around 280 times more common than the reverse



(it should have course be mentioned that whites are massively overrepresented on a per capita basis in crimes against Asians than the reverse, just significantly less than Blacks )

Are you capable of structuring a paragraph or do you get a perverted kick out of inflicting this godawful posting structure on us all?
 
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The base message of abolishing the police and nuclear families perhaps?

Very progressive.

After all, it's not like a movement is defined by its actions rather than what it names itself.

Yeah, plenty of dodgy stuff behind it's ideology... also aspects are like like the slogan "defund the police" being ambiguous and requiring moderates to gaslight people with "no, no they just mean reform the police" (OK why not say that then?), truth is there are people who literally want to defund the police and some moderates taking arbitrary tokenistic action in relation to that.

Re: the BLM slogan itself - it's not black lives matter too or black lives matter as well etc.. that is how it is being interpreted by moderate... others though are taking it a bit more literally, not as a pro-equality message (yes all lives matter but we're focusing on black ones at the moment) but rather as simply a "revolutionary" pro-Black message.

See this thread and the sort of thinking among the more extreme activists - it's quite transparent that for some it's more of a black power movement, after whatever they can get - special privileges, reparations etc..

see this thread:


Not to mention of course that the main reason for its existence, cops killing black suspects, doesn't really have any strong evidence to support the idea that this is a racial issue/issue of unfairness towards black people specifically.
 
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Looks like Donald trump isn't a fan of the term "white privilege" either. He's, quite rightly IMO, banned it's use for being racist and divisive! Hopefully the UK will follow their lead and put an end to similar use here in the UK.

Trump bans 'anti-American' diversity training
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54038888

"All agencies are directed to begin to identify all contracts or other agency spending related to any training on 'critical race theory,' 'white privilege,' or any other training or propaganda effort that teaches or suggests either (1) that the United States is an inherently racist or evil country or (2) that any race or ethnicity is inherently racist or evil," it says.
 
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Yeah, plenty of dodgy stuff behind it's ideology... also aspects are like like the slogan "defund the police" being ambiguous and requiring moderates to gaslight people with "no, no they just mean reform the police" (OK why not say that then?), truth is there are people who literally want to defund the police and some moderates taking arbitrary tokenistic action in relation to that.

The leadership are literally on video telling people they're avowed Marxists who are trained in subversive ideology, to paraphrase.

It's not about racism, it's a conduit for intersectionalism which fits into so many different things. Much like third wave feminism is not about women being beaten down, it's observably false and you have the likes of Christina Hoff Sommers and Camille Paglia telling you it's false. Women who were celebrated feminists right up until intersectionality took hold, yet in current times they're wrong-thinkers because they speak out against observably false things.

Speaking of, I would recommend Studio Brule which is ran by Janice Fiamengo on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/user/StudioBrule

I find her to be a good voice in the midst of madness.
 
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Looks like Donald trump isn't a fan of the term "white privilege" either. He's, quite rightly IMO, banned it's use for being racist and divisive! Hopefully the UK will follow their lead and put an end to similar use here in the UK.

Trump bans 'anti-American' diversity training
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54038888

"All agencies are directed to begin to identify all contracts or other agency spending related to any training on 'critical race theory,' 'white privilege,' or any other training or propaganda effort that teaches or suggests either (1) that the United States is an inherently racist or evil country or (2) that any race or ethnicity is inherently racist or evil," it says.

Jordan Peterson takes the same stance on white privilege, indoctrination pure and simple, like the 1619 project suggesting the country was founded 150 years before it actually existed...

 
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Looks like Donald trump isn't a fan of the term "white privilege" either. He's, quite rightly IMO, banned it's use for being racist and divisive! Hopefully the UK will follow their lead and put an end to similar use here in the UK.

Trump bans 'anti-American' diversity training
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54038888

"All agencies are directed to begin to identify all contracts or other agency spending related to any training on 'critical race theory,' 'white privilege,' or any other training or propaganda effort that teaches or suggests either (1) that the United States is an inherently racist or evil country or (2) that any race or ethnicity is inherently racist or evil," it says.

An actual good move by Trump.

This crap is keeping segregation alive and making racial problems worse. Not helping it.
 
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Looks like Donald trump isn't a fan of the term "white privilege" either. He's, quite rightly IMO, banned it's use for being racist and divisive! Hopefully the UK will follow their lead and put an end to similar use here in the UK.

Trump bans 'anti-American' diversity training
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-54038888

"All agencies are directed to begin to identify all contracts or other agency spending related to any training on 'critical race theory,' 'white privilege,' or any other training or propaganda effort that teaches or suggests either (1) that the United States is an inherently racist or evil country or (2) that any race or ethnicity is inherently racist or evil," it says.

That is good logical work by Trump. About time though. Perfect time to crush this. Hopefully Boris will be quick and follow ........ but don’t hold your breath.
 
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That is good logical work by Trump . . . Hopefully Boris will be quick and follow . . .
That is typical denial of reality by Trump.

Much like his pretence that Cronavirus isn't a problem and that it will be beaten by Easter . . . and Boris' claim that we have an oven ready Brexit solution and a world beating testing system.

Inveterate liars both of them, followed around by selfish and credulous fools.
 
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They all come from very privileged backgrounds.

Talk about being two faced.

That's probably the best example of "white privilege" tbh...

Going into black areas and trashing a disproportionate number of POC owned small businesse in order to "fight racism".

Turns out the car dealership that was destroyed by fire in Kenosha was owned by an Indian immgrant... Yay, go antifa, that will show the racists....
 
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Antifa and their followers are a bunch of clumsy retards.

They have hurt more innocent people and caused more damage than the people they claim are the "far right". Problem is they get support from the press (e.g the Guardian) so you don't hear about the havok they cause.
 
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Antifa and their followers are a bunch of clumsy retards.

They have hurt more people and caused more damage than the so called "far right" have.

True.

The redhead in the twit is the daughter of an architect and a child psychiatrist with a second home.

The one guy Frank Fuhrmeister, 30, of Stuyvesant Heights, charged with rioting and possession of a graffiti instrument, is a freelance art director who’s designed ads for Joe Coffee and has also worked for Pepsi, Samsung and The Glenlivet, among other high-profile brands

And he has shut down his websites....wonder why.

The other one Sragovich was an accomplished musician who spent time performing in local theater groups and at the Sea Cliff Yacht Club.

Very poor backgrounds there guys :D
 
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One of the most frustrating things about the 'BLM' movement is how little scrutiny the core claims of either the movement or the organisation are subjected to in wider circles.

In short you either have to be wilfully ignorant (maybe the sort of person to use a racially pejorative insult whilst trying to make a point for supposedly "anti racist" organisation?) of clearly accessible facts or have malicious motives to support either the BLM movement or organisation.

The malicious motive is the usual one that such "activist" movements have which is agitation for the repeatedly failed ideology of socialism by trying to usher in social unrest.


One simply phrased question destroys the whole premise of so called "white privilege" ..... namely if "white privilege" is a thing that explains most or all of the disparities we see why do certain non white groups consistently outperform whites in white majority countries like the UK and USA?


BLM can mean one of two things both of which make no sense to support.

One is a violent, nasty, anti semitic, Marxist organisation that, amongst other things, wants to do away with the traditional family unit and get rid of the police.

The other is a vague sentiment following the meaning of the words in the slogan....

.... with the suggestion being that society as a whole doesn't care for black lives or cares for them less than other ethnicities.

This is demonstrable nonsense.

The single biggest cause of a violent untimely death for a black persons at the hands of another in the UK and the US is being killed by another black person.

It's true that most whites murdered are murdered by other whites but the rates for blacks killing blacks, on a per capita basis are massively higher than the rates for whites killing whites.

Interracially, on a per capita basis, blacks kill whites at around twelve times the rate as the other way around in the US.

As of July of 2016 African Americans were the largest racial minority, amounting to an estimated 12.7%

In the same year the FBI figures for homicides nationwide shows that, where the race of the offender was known, this was the break down for homicides involving blacks and whites as either victims or perpetrators.


White victim total = 3,499

Pepetrator White = 2,854
Perpetrator Black = 533

Black or African American victim total = 2,870

Perpetrator White =243
Pepetrator Black = 2,570

So what can we glean from these figures?

For whites just over 81.5% of murders were committed by other whites

and just over 15. 2‰ were committed by blacks

For Black's the figures were just over 8.46%
murded by whites


and over 89.5‰ for deaths at the hands of other blacks.

And let's look at the absolute figures..

Black's killed 533 whites when they made up 12.7‰ of the population

And whites killed 243 blacks when they made up 76.9‰ of the population

So not only did whites kill less blacks then the other way around in overall numbers they did so whilst having over six times as many people in the country!

So you could express the racial disparity in interracial homicides in the USA, on a per capita basis, between blacks and whites as being in the region of over a factor of twelve in favour of the blacks much more frequently being the perpetrators in interacial murders between the two groups (just over six times as many whites as blacks in total and in absolute figures blacks kill over twice as many whites as vice versa)

The police kill, arrest and stop a disproportionate amount of blacks based on their percentage of the population but these disparities are caused primarily by the disproportionate violent crime rates for blacks as reported by witnesses to crimes.

U.S. Department of Justice
Office of Justice Programs
Bureau of Justice Statistics

Criminal Victimization, 2017

TABLE 10
Nonfatal violent incidents, by total population, victim, and offender demographic characteristics, 2017

In about three-quarters (76%) of violent incidents where perceived offender characteristics were reported the victim perceived the offender to be male.

Based on victims’ reports, there were about four-fifths as many white offenders as the percentage of whites in the population, about twice as many black offenders as the percentage of blacks in the population, and about one-sixth as many Asian offenders as the percentage.

https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv17.pdf

In the US whites arrested for violent crimes are significantly more likely to be killed by the police than blacks arrested for violent crimes.



The claim is often then made that blacks commit more crime either because they are poor or because of some legacy of suffering from slavery and segregation.

Neither of these make any sense when examined more closely.

There are nearly three times as many whites living in poverty in the US than blacks as an absolute number (the percentage for blacks as group is about double that of whites but there are far fewer blacks overall than whites).

From 2018 figures there were around 25, 295,122 White Americans living in poverty (as defined by the federal governments poverty threshold)

vs 9,148691 blacks living in poverty

https://www.povertyusa.org/facts
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/US/IPE120218

So if poverty was the main issue then the poor whites should be massively inflating the rate of overall violent crimes for whites vs the smaller number of blacks living in poverty on the US.

If a legacy of oppression was the cause of crime then we could expect one of the most consistently oppressed groups in all of history (the Jews) to top the per capita rates for violent crime but we don't see this.

Instead we see them and other minority groups who often entered the US poor like Koreans and Indians not only surpassing blacks in many metrics (including not being arrested or incarcerated) but also significantly beating the white majority in many cases.

The conclusion should be obvious.

Culture matters and not all cultures are equal.

Whites don't underperform Koreans in many metrics in the US due to racism, systemic or otherwise, they do so because large parts of white culture in the US are inferior to large parts of the culture adopted by Koreans living in the US when it comes to things like economic success and avoiding incarceration.

The same applies to other racial groups when compared to one another.

You can also look at the significant disparities within 'blacks' as a group.

Whites are one of the least likely of all racial groups to goto university in the UK.

Afro Caribbeans attend a rate close to whites but black Africans attend at a much higher rate than either whites or Afro Caribbeans.


Again the answer is in culture not racism.

An increasing amount of people are done taking uncritical lectures by the likes of BLM supporters, their sycophants and the degenerate Marxists taking advantage of the chaos they cause about things like supposed white privilege because their claims are all based on lies.


If you want to see a truly disgraceful example of massive unjust disproportionality consider that, based on fairy recent figures, that the ratio of interracial crime rate for violent offences in the US between Blacks and Asians was so bad that Black on Asian violent crime was around 280 times more common than the reverse



(it should have course be mentioned that whites are massively overrepresented on a per capita basis in crimes against Asians than the reverse, just significantly less than Blacks )

Borrowing from Larry Elder here, but "facts to a radical are like sunlight to a vampire". :D
 
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