What is white privilege?

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Caracus2k said:
In addition to your weasly virtue signalling it's also apparent that you don't know what you are on about as well.

Theres no “white privilege”... or “non-white disadvantage” here.... because what's the chances of let's say an ethnically Han Chinese female would be mistaken for a defendant in similar circumstances?

Considerably less would be the answer I suggest.

This lady received similiar treatment to than men receive every day in the Criminal Justice system.

Namely adverse stereotyping because they come from a demographic that commits far higher per capita rates of crime than other groups.
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You are aware this aggressive style of posting doesn't endear people to your way of thinking, right? Because the kernel of what you're getting at, after you get rid of the deliberately antagonistic language, is something I agree with but you seem determined to characterise yourself as an unpleasant person. That is deeply alienating even to those who in broad terms agree with what you are saying.

People worth listening to are those who can argue their position without resorting to petty name calling. Make your opponent look silly by virtue of the silliness of their view and making them see it.
 
After reading the latest from Meghan and Harry I felt I had to return to this thread. My previous posts I think focused to much on discrimination and racism rather than the topic of white privilege.

So previously Meghan and Harry have talked about white privilege, as many other celebrities do, and now they are calling for an end to 'structural racism'.

I think both the mind set of white privilege and that there is structural racism in 2020 is extremely dangerous.

We have to try and see how these messages are being heard by people in the black community. It is saying that no matter what they do they will always be stopped from progressing because they aren't white.

This, in 2020, is wrong. White people are around 7% of the worlds population. I think we have to ask ourselves the question how we, as a minority race in the world become so successful. We did it by trading with each other. If anyone of 'the race' got something we used it to our advantage. If we went to new lands we welcomed all to trade with us and give our brethren a helping hand. But we have to remember that nothing we did was exceptional. We managed to craft things, trade within our own ethnic group, and for a time put restrictions on trading with other groups - mainly because we were still in a minority.

The theme behind 'white privilege' and saying there is 'structural racism' is saying if you aren't white then you can't get on. But when we look at other racial and ethnic groups in Britain they have got on and become successful. There are plenty of Indian, Pakistani, Chinese etc millionaires who have made their fortunes after growing up in Britain as have established themselves here. They also have the bonus that they have a better chance of expanding their business empire in to other countries culturally similarly as their own culture. So how as white privilege and structural racism held them back?

There will always be some resistance if you look or sound different to the majority of people in the country. But this can be for any reason, not just because the person isn't white. I think many polish people have experience some forms of discrimination when deciding to settle in Britain, and they have been around and helped us since world war 2. So there is a lot of cultural similarities but they still experience discrimination. This situation would also be the case in countries predominantly of a non-white colour, like an African country, Asia country, South American country etc.

It isn't any surprise that there are a lot of Chinese or Pakistani/Bangladeshi take aways, and corner shops.. or taxi companies. They might have had resistance to starting those businesses up. But there are now some millionaires. I have a Bangladeshi friend whos grandfather owns 8 take away businesses, a resturant, and a clothing business. The majority of customers are from the Bangladeshi/Pakistani and Indian communities, as well as a sizable amount of white patrons too.

The key to becoming a success seems to be to create a product that the community you grew up in would buy and stay loyal too. Always on nightouts I'd always go to my friends family businesses when I needed something to eat. So even if people believed there was a white conspiracy then it wouldn't matter as there are many proven real world examples were you can run a successful business with nearly zero white customers.

The white privilege and structural racism points are vindictive because it doesn't even debate the point. It's literally saying to black people specifically there is nothing you can do in this life because of the system in place. Young people don't have the perspective to challenge that statement, especially when its coming from high profile people like Meghan and Harry. So on the one hand they are celebrating black history month while on the other hand demoralising them by saying "oops sorry, Whitey as taken over and you can't do anything about it". We see every other race setting up businesses and making money. There is no reason why black people can't do that. I admired the black activists promoting 'black pound day' as its a step in the right direction. But they wouldn't have needed to do that if it wasn't from the demoralisation with coming out with statements trying to undermine whole communities.

There was a satirical video posted a few months back that was showing how woke and racist people speak a similar language. It is true. The racist will say it to your face, while woke people will patronise you and say "oh well, you can't help it". Both opinions are equally as damaging in my opinion.
 
Institutional racism, systemic racism, structural racism, foundational racism and even pernicious racism now lol.


Thomas Sowell on BLM.

Even though I'm generally regarded as a pessimist I was never pessimistic enough to think that things would degenerate to the point where they are now.
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BowdonUK said:
The white privilege and structural racism points are vindictive because it doesn't even debate the point. It's literally saying to black people specifically there is nothing you can do in this life because of the system in place. Young people don't have the perspective to challenge that statement, especially when its coming from high profile people like Meghan and Harry. So on the one hand they are celebrating black history month while on the other hand demoralising them by saying "oops sorry, Whitey as taken over and you can't do anything about it". We see every other race setting up businesses and making money. There is no reason why black people can't do that. I admired the black activists promoting 'black pound day' as its a step in the right direction. But they wouldn't have needed to do that if it wasn't from the demoralisation with coming out with statements trying to undermine whole communities.

There was a satirical video posted a few months back that was showing how woke and racist people speak a similar language. It is true. The racist will say it to your face, while woke people will patronise you and say "oh well, you can't help it". Both opinions are equally as damaging in my opinion.
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Is this something you know or something you are assuming?
 
Theophany said:
People worth listening to are those who can argue their position without resorting to petty name calling. Make your opponent look silly by virtue of the silliness of their view and making them see it.
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I'm a little bit late to this as I missed your post, but it is something I very much agree with. I'm a free speech advocate, I don't fully believe we have that in the UK and I don't believe hate speech laws are at all healthy. I'd rather be aware that Bob over the street hates a random group of people, I'd rather have those views out there as at least then we know who to ignore. Shutting down opinion, however poorly formulated that opinion might be, does not stop people from holding it. Quite the opposite in fact, it gives validation to their views in their minds and they fester unseen.

I have a relative who shares some of my views politically, but the way he acts and presents himself makes me genuinely cringe. Not only that but he falls into the trap of a lot of the conspiracy stuff, so on the end of having arguably decent talking points he's suddenly ranting about the most extreme and silly views you could imagine. Sometimes it's just joking, but it's irrelevant in such a charged climate as nobody is going to take the time to differentiate.

Acting in that sort of way is a detriment to your cause, personally I want reasonable debate and you can only achieve that by acting in a respectable manner.
 
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Eurofighter said:
Like Martin Luther king said, people should be judged by their character, positive discrimination isn't that, its just racism the other way.
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True and there might be an arguement that postive discrimination has had its day in that the potential positives are outweighed by the ill feeling it causes....but remember it stems from a time of entrenched social racism and segregation. You had to force people to change because simply put, why would most people have bothered when it worked well for them before. Those in power or with control rarely if ever welcome change, it often has to be forced whether politically or otherwise.

I have always thought white privilege misleading in that people often use it as a term to almost suggest that white people have something to feel ashamed of. But I see it in the same way you would view the phrase 'first world problem'. White people are less likely to be judged by the colour of their skin in the same way that someone living in the UK is less likely to be at risk of dying from thirst. There will always be exceptions but a white persons basic concerns are unlikely to be the same as other skin colours in much the same way that a resident of the UK will never have the same concerns as someone in Sudan. That is an extreme comparison to be fair but the point I'm trying to make (in a long winded fashion) is that as a white person if I am pulled over by the police it would never even enter my thought process that it would be for any other reason than my driving/car or the boredom of the police...i am not sure most black people can say the same, certainly not those I have spoken to. And it is that absence of concern that I think is white privilege. Not something to be ashamed as in of itself it is not the cause of racism or the mistreatment of others...if anything it is an ideal that perhaps one day all colours can aspire to feel....however unlikely such a day is.
 
My girlfriends friend has recently moved to Dubai I believe and was talking about how non ethnics were lower down on the social ladder.
Locals>whites>blacks>Chinese>Indian.

If you are say in a queue you will get called ahead of say a black person to be served first.

Said person was all BLM etc , obviously the money she is getting easily glossed over her need to go home in disgust or plaster FB with the details of racial discrimination over there...funny how money can make you forget your morals.

What gets me is you have Harry telling us about white dolls but you know what, let's not mention the real actual racism that goes on in the world and talk about a dolls colour.
 
BowdonUK said:
After reading the latest from Meghan and Harry I felt I had to return to this thread. My previous posts I think focused to much on discrimination and racism rather than the topic of white privilege......etc
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Very good post.
It's a very perplexing subject.
 
Jasonst888 said:
[..] the point I'm trying to make (in a long winded fashion) is that as a white person if I am pulled over by the police it would never even enter my thought process that it would be for any other reason than my driving/car or the boredom of the police...i am not sure most black people can say the same, certainly not those I have spoken to. And it is that absence of concern that I think is white privilege. Not something to be ashamed as in of itself it is not the cause of racism or the mistreatment of others...if anything it is an ideal that perhaps one day all colours can aspire to feel....however unlikely such a day is.
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By that argument, "white privilege" is being massively increased by BLM and other aspects of the racism industry. It's BLM et alia that are conditioning "black" people to always and unfailingly believe that anything that happens to them that they don't like happens solely because of their "race". Like, for example, being pulled over by the police. Regardless of the actual reason.

As well as that, the police are vastly more likely to pull over a man/arrest a man/shoot a man/etc. Is that female privilege? If not, why not?
 
Angilion said:
By that argument, "white privilege" is being massively increased by BLM and other aspects of the racism industry. It's BLM et alia that are conditioning "black" people to always and unfailingly believe that anything that happens to them that they don't like happens solely because of their "race". Like, for example, being pulled over by the police. Regardless of the actual reason.

As well as that, the police are vastly more likely to pull over a man/arrest a man/shoot a man/etc. Is that female privilege? If not, why not?
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To be fair I never said blm didn't have such an affect. But let's be honest if someone is going to hear blm arguments and take from it 'ah well I won't try as they won't let me succeed anyway'....well that person was likely always going to find a reason to give up so in of itself it is no reason not to. Blm is not white lives dont matter.....it is the acknowledgement that in far to many documented cases black people are judged overly harshly and potentially fatally by police (mostly in america) but also in other countries. You can be annoyed by the message or the way it is given but so far as I can see it comes from a place of anger and even fear on their part which i would say appears to be fully understandable and justifiable. They would likely point to your position on it as exactly the reason they have to protest, because ultimately blm itself doesn't hurt you and yet the very existence of it angers or at least annoys you. I would honestly be intrigued as to how you think they should act in response to shootings like GF?

As to your point about pulling over men, agreed the stats would support that and ultimately no matter what you do the police are just human who will follow their 'gut' and if 90% of the crime they see is men that is who they will pull over. The same reasoning holds true with black people being stopped. But such reasoning on their part become self perpetuating and reinforcing, if you are stopped all the time by the police on suspicion of crimes you didn't commit do you ever just snap and commit a crime because they already judge you guilty? Do you look to similar to the person who did it so you get arrested for nothing? If you treat a class of people like criminals they will likely grow to act like it. That's not a justification for their actions (they have free will and can choose to be better) but I'm saying such is a very complex issue but it is rarely acknowledging and tackling the complexity that leads to changes....its fixating on one point and protesting that tends to move things along.
 
Angilion said:
It's BLM et alia that are conditioning "black" people to always and unfailingly believe that anything that happens to them that they don't like happens solely because of their "race". Like, for example, being pulled over by the police. Regardless of the actual reason
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This is one of the big dangers of the current climate. We are literally incapable of dealing with anyone of colour without having to deal with accusations of bias or racism. My partner was accused of being racist and discriminating against someone who went for a job in the NHS recently. She would have been OK for the job but there was a better candidate, she asked to move the interview on the morning of the interview "because I haven't prepared for it" and she didn't do that well in the interview.

When she didn't get the job she quit and wrote a nasty letter accusing them of sexism, racism etc.

We are teaching people that whenever anything doesn't go your way or you don't get what you want, it has to be down to the prejudice of others or some external force. You want always win, you wont always get what you want or deserve, you are sometimes unlucky. There is plenty we can to to make society better for people of colour but framing everything through a racial lens is beyond stupid and will lead nowhere good.
 
I knew someone who had a similar experience at the NHS. Any rejections etc with "minorities" and it was a battle to justify their decision. They really want to tick those boxes, even if it means employing someone less suitable.

But if people are going to play the race card to get their own way, it's eventually going to wear out (and it's already starting to I think). So crack on...
 
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What a load of twaddle most of you guys post.

You are acting like white racists agitators werent going on about how the white working class men were being overlooked and down trodden for the last decade yand constantly complaining about it and also using it as reason to justify brexit. Many of you even went a bit mental when Jon Snow said Ive never seen such a large group of white men before, or something like that.
 
White Privilege must have skipped me, I was always one of the poorest in my class growing up in a school in Harrow, London.

Dad ****** off so mum raised us by herself on low income support.

Low income lunch tickets making us queue up so everyone knew whose parents couldn't afford the lunch,
Not being able to pay for school trips
Getting my first job at 11 to pay for my first pair of rollerblades, while my asian friends had the best pairs.
Riding to college on my ****** BMX while paying for driving lessons from a job stacking heavy bags of cement and compost in homebase, while all the asian kids had their license already and a VW Golf paid for by mummy and daddy.

Yet I'm the privileged one? **** right off.
 
nitram100 said:
White Privilege must have skipped me, I was always one of the poorest in my class growing up in a school in Harrow, London.

Dad ****** off so mum raised us by herself on low income support.

Low income lunch tickets making us queue up so everyone knew whose parents couldn't afford the lunch,
Not being able to pay for school trips
Getting my first job at 11 to pay for my first pair of rollerblades, while my asian friends had the best pairs.
Riding to college on my ****** BMX while paying for driving lessons from a job stacking heavy bags of cement and compost in homebase, while all the asian kids had their license already and a VW Golf paid for by mummy and daddy.

Yet I'm the privileged one? **** right off.
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ALL the asian kids? Did you know or see no poor asian families? Wealth is a great equaliser.
 
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