Looks interesting, might give it a watch tonight.
What is white privilege?
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Looks interesting, might give it a watch tonight.
What do people make of this?
The black ex-chief exec of Credit Suisse walked out of his birthday party when a black performer dressed as a janitor danced on stage. Some of the ex-chief exec's friends also danced on stage wearing afro style wigs. Credit Suisse has been forced to apologise over the incident which was not organised by them directly (presumably it was by his friends and colleagues?)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54432910
I assume that his friends know him well and so wearing the wigs would not be expected by them to cause offence. The article seems to highlight it was the black performer which caused him to walk out. This just seems a massive overreaction to me. Are black people not allowed to act now? Must all actors playing a "junior" character such as a janitor be white instead? Would the same ex-chief exec have walked out if that same black actor was playing a regular office staff member on stage instead? If the ex-chief exec feels so strongly that a black actor should not play a janitor then what has he done to ensure that black staff do not empty his office bin in real life? Is the ex-chief exec racist for seemingly disagreeing that a black actor can play certain roles? Would he have walked out if the janitor was played by a white performer instead? If not then isn't it racist for him to act differently based on an skin colour?
Or have I completely missed the point?
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The black ex-chief exec of Credit Suisse walked out of his birthday party when a black performer dressed as a janitor danced on stage. Some of the ex-chief exec's friends also danced on stage wearing afro style wigs. Credit Suisse has been forced to apologise over the incident which was not organised by them directly (presumably it was by his friends and colleagues?)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-54432910
I assume that his friends know him well and so wearing the wigs would not be expected by them to cause offence. The article seems to highlight it was the black performer which caused him to walk out. This just seems a massive overreaction to me. Are black people not allowed to act now? Must all actors playing a "junior" character such as a janitor be white instead? Would the same ex-chief exec have walked out if that same black actor was playing a regular office staff member on stage instead? If the ex-chief exec feels so strongly that a black actor should not play a janitor then what has he done to ensure that black staff do not empty his office bin in real life? Is the ex-chief exec racist for seemingly disagreeing that a black actor can play certain roles? Would he have walked out if the janitor was played by a white performer instead? If not then isn't it racist for him to act differently based on an skin colour?
Or have I completely missed the point?
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Quite likely, yes. You don't appear to have pursued your investigation very hard - two minutes maximum?
Tell me; how do you just happen to stumble across these obscure stories to support your world view?
Quite possible, it wasn't his own party he's reported to have walked out of, nor was it his friends playing dress up.
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So he walked out because he didn't like the entertainment? Big deal, done it myself many times, been offended, been bored, been shocked, still here, undamaged...
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white privilege? not sure, is it not a USA thing that gets thrown around
i've never been given extra privilege for being white
just busting my ass trying to stay afloat like everyone else
i've never been given extra privilege for being white
just busting my ass trying to stay afloat like everyone else
Errr... It's on the business section of the BBC News website and appeared as one of the recommended links when I was reading something else on the same site. You've probably heard of the BBC News. It's the news website of the national broadcaster. So it's not exactly an obscure article which I went searching for.
Tell me: How does me asking questions to understand something support my "world view"? What do you think my "world view" is?
Yes you're right. I didnt spot that it was his chairmans party and friends. They does put a slightly different light on it. Thanks.
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Yeah...soon you'll learn to put him on ignore.
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I think context is king for that one. I can imagine scenarios where it goes from total dummy spitting to borderline deliberate racist offence/slight intended. Without knowing the individuals, the routine, the friends and nature of the relationships no outsider can judge it well. But one has to assume the insulted party thought it was deliberately offensive.
I think context is king for that one. I can imagine scenarios where it goes from total dummy spitting to borderline deliberate racist offence/slight intended. Without knowing the individuals, the routine, the friends and nature of the relationships no outsider can judge it well. But one has to assume the insulted party thought it was deliberately offensive.
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LOLStockhausen
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Nay, sirrah, nor women neither. Tis a travesty, surely, to let such respectable types tread the boards of sin!
Yes.
Only if they were in one of the lower salary brackets.
Committed the company to some meaningless policy about diversity enhancement.
Nope. Only white people can be racist.
Yes, because white people cannot dance, and it should be a black person showing them how it's done.
Nope.
It's only racist if he asserts one skin colour/race/culture/whatever to be better than (or worse than) another. Merely asserting a difference is not enough to qualify under the definition.
That, like my post above, it's all trigger-bait ********?
It's fine thank-you, Susan.
A lot of the reporting on this is secondary garbage without the good decency to link to the original article. As far as I can tell the original outlet to break the news was the NY Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/03/business/tidjane-thiam-credit-suisse.html
Quite an interesting read, regardless of where your opinions are.
Quite an interesting read, regardless of where your opinions are.
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Yes its certainly Stockhausen that had it wrong.
Oh no it was the OP who hadnt bothered reading the article properly and just thought black man offended and got outraged..
This part is not aimed at Hades but are you racists ever embarrassed that you get the wrong end of the stick very frequently when it comes to a race story or is it just water off a ducks back to you lot?
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Nah, they just look at the headlines, jump to a pre-ordained conclusion and post.
Two minutes maximum research is absolutely unattainable when you have a drum to bang
If it's not aimed at me then why did you ask the question immediately after quoting me? If you feel I am a racist then have the courage to say it. Don't hide it.
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The story presents it that he walked out due to a black person playing a janitor. Regardless of who's party it was, this still seems an overreaction. Let's flip it around the other way and say a white man walks out of the party due to a white actor playing a janitor and we can see how silly it seems. I would be asking the same question in that scenario too.
The relevance of me missing the fact it was another employees party is certainly relevant for the afro wigs. I can see why that could be offensive to someone and take no issue with him walking out for that. But nothing in the BBC article explains why an actor playing the part of a janitor was offensive to anyone. Any idea why a janitor would be an offensive character to play? Are we saying that a janitor is not a worthy job? Isn't that in itself an offensive thing for the cleaning and maintenance staff at his bank to hear, considering how much money and privilege the guy would have had? Let's look at it a slightly different way and take race out of the equation. Does this sound good or bad?
"Highly paid senior bank executive walks out of party because he thinks someone playing an actor as a low paid staff member is offensive to him"
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Ill be honest you are not particualy on my radar as a racist. Thats why I said it wasnt aimed at you after your quote. I am having a slow day today though.
I mean you seemed okay when it was pointed out you had the wrong end of the stick rather than then going into one about other stuff.
Now if I had just said. Are you racists ever... Then I would see why you might think that, which is why I specifically said not aimed at you.
Straight up my post wasnt even directed towards you, it was more Beavis and Butt-Head.
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Maybe he was more annoyed at the guys who were probably quite high up, that put on afro wigs and danced around?
You might be reading too much into it.
Ill be honest you are not particualy on my radar as a racist. Thats why I said it wasnt aimed at you after your quote. I am having a slow day today though.
I mean you seemed okay when it was pointed out you had the wrong end of the stick rather than then going into one about other stuff.
Now if I had just said. Are you racists ever... Then I would see why you might think that, which is why I specifically said not aimed at you.
Straight up my post wasnt even directed towards you, it was more Beavis and Butt-Head.
OK, friendly hug
Fair enough. I possibly am
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