What is white privilege?
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I think you'll find #AllMatterMattersIt's under-represented in the universe place
Dark matter matters.
EDIT: Dammit beaten by seconds
But you can't be matterist to normal matter! *waves down with Trump flag*
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Would that make you... antimatter?
I just watched the entire police footage of George Floyd, really grim. I don't see it as a racial thing, but those cops need prison for`being utterly stupid.
Why did they not check his well being even once? Part of the blame is the crowd, they were too distracted looking for threats, though most of the blame is on the cops.
Why did they not check his well being even once? Part of the blame is the crowd, they were too distracted looking for threats, though most of the blame is on the cops.
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For Chauvin perhaps but two of the officers were just days into the job. The kneeling appeared to be part of their training but yes the length of time, lack of checks etc. Seems wholly irresponsible.
There seems to be rumours circulating that Floyd swallowed a stash of fentanyl just prior to being arrested which is what lead to cardiac arrest. No idea if true but I wouldn't be surprised.
There seems to be rumours circulating that Floyd swallowed a stash of fentanyl just prior to being arrested which is what lead to cardiac arrest. No idea if true but I wouldn't be surprised.
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This is something I've pointed out before. They both worked at a nightclub. Floyd on the door and Chauvin as an off duty cop, usually sat outside in his car apparently. Its pretty obvious that Chauvin would have known about Floyds criminal history (armed home invasions etc.) and wasn't exactly a fan of the guy which I expect would have driven his recklessness when dealing with his arrest.
Rumours? The autopsy report showed he was high as a kite, people die with far less in their system.
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I've seen the report yes and he was beyond intoxicated sure. What I mean is that on top of the drugs he had already taken, upon being arrested he swallowed his entire stash to avoid it being found on him. Again I don't know how true this is but it would go some way to explain what happened. Once you add the stress of the situation it's not hard to see why he experienced heart issues.
whenever their is a white person involved its always racist you should know the narrative by now but the other way around its just murder.
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White privilege is an excuse for minority failures. It's just one of the many attacks on the West, its people, culture, and history by those that aren't cutting it here.
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They did check on him, they also called for an ambulance. I don't see how the other three cops should end up in jail or really have to be punished for anything there tbh... it's just a case that went viral because obviously it looks bad and an OTT political reaction/hysterics from woke people etc...
The cop that realistically ought to have a case to answer is Chauvin, the one who has his knee on Floyd's neck.
Yup two of them were complete rookies, Chauvin was a senior officer helping to train them... one of them directly questioned whether they should be holding Floyd like that, I'm not sure what they could do, they weren't in a positon of authority over Chauvin and seemingly Chauvin was following the procedure.
And it isn't a rumour, Floyd had drugs in his system including a hefty dose of Fentanyl, there is some indication on the footage that he seemed to swallow something during the initial questioning by the cops.
If you watch the full clip (or just read the transcript/details as I pointed this out shortly after the incident was reported and before the full clip was leaked) Floyd was saying "I can't breathe" before he was even on the ground... possible side effects of the drugs he'd taken. So the initial short clips that provoked the outrage are a bit out of context, it looks like he's saying he can't breathe because the knee is on his neck (and he does claim that later) but with context that isn't so clear.
So not only is Chauvin seemingly following procedure it isn't clear how much force is being put on Floyd's neck, that he's saying "I can't breathe" isn't necessarily due to excessive pressure being applied to the neck, it could be but we don't know.... either way, regardless of his heart problems and drug problems it's been concluded via autopsy that this incident triggered the death, that the police restraining him is what caused this and therefore it is a homicide.
It doesn't mean Chauvin is guilty though - he might well get manslaughter but murder could be a bit of a reach... (he might get found not guilty on all charges, there is some reasonable doubt there and seemingly he was following procedure) - the murder charge is possible though and I'm assuming they're relying on the fact that Chauvin at one point asked Floyd what was wrong and Floyd asnwered re: his knee upon his neck (or words to that effect)... presumably if they can convince the jury both that Chauvin definitely applied serious pressure to Floyd's neck and was intending to cause Floyd harm after being told that his knee on the neck was doing just that then maybe a murder charge can hold up... it seems like a long shot though.
I'd assume the three other cops get let off and sue the city for not following due process when instantly firing them and chauvin either gets off or gets a manslaughter (or equivalent - 3rd degree murder) conviction.... and a load of idiots take to the street and start trashing things all over again.
If he was drugged off his gourd on Fentanyl then there was no need to subdue him in the manner they did. I'm not defending Floyd, BLM or anything that has resulted from all of this.
The amount of mental gymnastics people do to try and justify a police officer and suspected tax evader, with no shortage of complaints on his record killing an unarmed civilian is astounding. Everybody involved in this can be a total piece of ****. You are not required to white knight for anybody.
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Have you seen the full video btw? Watch it as it presents a very different view of events to those that were originally thrown our way.
My opinion is that Floyd was clearly off his face and was uncompliant although not through intent, just because he didn't know wtf he was doing. He did require restraint as from dealing with those that are high as a kite their behaviour can not be predicted. The duration of the restraint...Well that's the problem.
The restraint used was grossly disproportionate purely by virtue of the fact it contributed to the death of an unarmed suspect in custody and any experienced officer, as Chauvin was, would know that. I don't get why people try to make this a binary issue. You don't have to 'support' one side because the other is bad. Everybody in this whole sorry saga and the absolute ****storm that has followed it sucks. It has brought the absolute worst out in people.
The police in the US have a tough job, no two ways about it. That's par for the cause when you live in a country in which Joe Public fetishises guns and fantasises about killing bad guys. But in this situation they done goofed and frankly, it's indefensible.
I'm not white knighting for anyone - where did I justify it? Try to deal with what I've actually posted if you think I'm wrong about some point then say so and be clear about where, if you have a different opinion then give it and explain why. Telling me that he's a tax evader and/or has previous complaints isn't really adding much and throwing in comments about mental gymnastics when you've not explained why or made much of a point here beyond venting a little is just bad faith posting.
I don't think the other three cops, including two rookies, one of whom was concerned about Floyd's wellbeing and performed CPR on him are all total pieces of **** for example. I mean I get that this was an emotive incident and people like to vent but it doesn't mean others can't take a critical look at it. Chauvin was aggressive and placed his knee on Floyd's neck, Floyd was high on drugs while behind the wheel of a car, paranoid and uncooperative - they're the two people ultimately responsible for what happened.
I'm not sure anyone is making it a binary issue - thats projection from you. The restraint might have been grossly disproportionate, it's also seemingly covered in their training manual - they were worried about "excited delirium" those words used on the footage... and there is IIRC a training manual for that police force illustrating this type of restraint... if that experienced police officer was following the procedure that his dept has laid out in an official training manual then while you can argue he was aggressive etc.. his defence team can also argue that he was following the training...
We don't know for sure how much pressure was put on the neck - we do know he was struggling with breathing before he was even on the ground... I wonder if Chauvin's defence team will argue that he wasn't actually putting his bodyweight on the neck etc.. it just looks bad in the video (note, I'm not saying this is the case, I'm pointing out that that could be an obvious argument) they just need to establish reasonable doubt... they can argue that he was high and had an existing heart issue and bring in some medical expert to argue that given he was already struggling with breathing that it's plausible he'd have died as a result of the struggle/arrest, regardless of any knee on the neck. I'm not sure that argument will fly but it is there along with just the outright defence for the knee on the neck being approved in the first place.
I do think think the murder charge is weak, the thing they're relying on is likely just the bit of the tape where Chauvin asks Floyd what is wrong and is specificaly told that his knee on the neck is the issue... so it's possible (especially given the publicity surrounding the case and the sort of preconcieved ideas any jury would have - they'll struggle to find juroros who haven't heard of the case) but realisticaly I think it's going to ultimately be a manslaughter verdict or a not guilty verdict.
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