What smart themostart are using?

Tado. Quite expensive to get going as we hand a lot of rooms with 2 radiators and then installed wireless stats as the TRV temp sensor does not work they well as it’s too close to the radiator.

But works very vey well. My Gass bill was huge even after turning off most of the house.
 
You can override it by pressing a button manually and then waiting 30-60 mins for the hot water. That isn't a compensation to no hot shower in the AM :D
If your hot water tank isn’t keeping your water hot overnight you have bigger problems.

Its pretty clear you hate Tado without actually trying it first. Thinking it’s got problems that it hasn’t.
 
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For gas boilers, there are really four types of stats. Also note lower flow temp improves efficiency, more condensing and less heat out of the exhaust:

No modulationModulating
DumbConventional programmable stat. The boiler will still modulate down the power output once the set flow temp is reached, however you would need to manually adjust flow temp to get the best efficiency.Once the home gets to to the set temp the stat will communicate with the boiler to lower the flow temp, this will improve efficiency. More efficent than a non modulating 'smart' stat. Plus no reliance on internet connection.
Example: ideal halo lite
SmartOnly advantage over the conventional type is the ability to turn on and off via a phone. Can still do this manually with a conventional stat, but not before you get home. No real efficiency bonus.
Example: hive
Efficiency of modulation with smart control, best of all worlds as long as your internet is reliable.
Example: google nest

System design is important, most boilers, especially combis, are oversized and therefore cycle on and off when the home is up to temp, which increases wear and reduces efficiency. This affects whatever type of stat you have.
Heat pumps are different again, require a different system design with much lower flow temps and higher flow rates than gas boilers (lower dT), and also require an always on regime in winter, otherwise you will be always cold.
A very blinkered view of the smart systems. They have far more functionality than “remote control”
 
If your hot water tank isn’t keeping your water hot overnight you have bigger problems.

Its pretty clear you hate Tado without actually trying it first. Thinking it’s got problems that it hasn’t.
Weird flex, I have never tried it and won't spend 400 quid to try it. Why have your water switched on if it is always hot anyway? Daft question.
 
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Weird flex, I have never tried it and won't spend 400 quid to try it. Why have your water switched on if it is always hot anyway? Daft question.
Your water isn’t always on. It switches on and off as programmed (unless you are foolish enough to keep it on 24/7) Your hot water tank should be well enough insulated to keep your hot water hot for at least 12 hours / overnight if not much longer. You don’t need to heat it all the time. So if you have for example, a power cut at night with any half decent system, you will still have stored hot water In the morning.

I’m not a salesman so I don’t need to convince you to buy Smart heating. However, I have Tado - it works well and saves money. More than it cost me. You can continue to try to pick holes that aren’t their based on your opinion tho.
 
Your water isn’t always on. It switches on and off as programmed (unless you are foolish enough to keep it on 24/7) Your hot water tank should be well enough insulated to keep your hot water hot for at least 12 hours / overnight if not much longer. You don’t need to heat it all the time. So if you have for example, a power cut at night with any half decent system, you will still have stored hot water In the morning.

I’m not a salesman so I don’t need to convince you to buy Smart heating. However, I have Tado - it works well and saves money. More than it cost me. You can continue to try to pick holes that aren’t their based on your opinion tho.
Okay but hear me out, if I heat my water and use it all, what then? What are you even arguing?
 
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Okay but hear me out, if I heat my water and use it all, what then? What are you even arguing?
In the unlikely event that you do that and have a Wi-Fi outage from when you run out of water until you next need hot water, you’ll just need to press the button on your Tado stat and 30 minutes later you’ll have hot water.
What would you do if you had a power cut With a conventional system?
Situations like that are so rare it’s not worth worrying about. But hey, keep trying.
 
I thought the context of the water being cold in the morning was the prospect/weakness of an internet outage that could mess up tado schedule delivered via the cloud.
 
In the unlikely event that you do that and have a Wi-Fi outage from when you run out of water until you next need hot water, you’ll just need to press the button on your Tado stat and 30 minutes later you’ll have hot water.
What would you do if you had a power cut With a conventional system?
Situations like that are so rare it’s not worth worrying about. But hey, keep trying.
You're conflating losing internet with losing power now. Make your mind up if you're going to get your back up <3
 
I thought the context of the water being cold in the morning was the prospect/weakness of an internet outage that could mess up tado schedule delivered via the cloud.
All that happens is the pre programmed schedule won’t run. You can always manually override it. In reality, Wi-Fi outage is very rare so much so it’s not worth the worry.
 
All that happens is the pre programmed schedule won’t run. You can always manually override it. In reality, Wi-Fi outage is very rare so much so it’s not worth the worry.
That's your opinion, but what's with all the 'nice try' rubbish? Do you work for tapo/and or are personally offended?
 
That's your opinion, but what's with all the 'nice try' rubbish? Do you work for tapo/and or are personally offended?
It’s actually a fact. You keep making erroneous statements based on some unfounded belief of how Tado works. I’m just correction those opinions so that those who are considering the Tado system get the facts. I’m not offended by it but you do seem to keep pushing your post count for some reason.
 
It’s actually a fact. You keep making erroneous statements based on some unfounded belief of how Tado works. I’m just correction those opinions so that those who are considering the Tado system get the facts. I’m not offended by it but you do seem to keep pushing your post count for some reason.
What? You've already agreed that tapo doesn't work when WiFi is down?
 
All that happens is the pre programmed schedule won’t run. You can always manually override it. In reality, Wi-Fi outage is very rare so much so it’s not worth the worry.
yes - home assistant, obviously requires more advanced IT skills to setup your network for secure access, from phone app, but at least you have that independence option,
and from experience of smart bulbs , I had stupidly played with some sengled stuff a couple of years ago, where the app acceses a server, god knows where, which communicates with your bulbs, that, was unreliable.
Many people are happy enough with the likes of blink managing your video feed, though, so I probably have to accept cloud involvement

I'd like some open source trv's where you could see the temperature and adjust the valve openings using setting you had calculated for your specific system, to ensure return temperatures are appropriate,
generally someone more knowledgable posts the control code on GIT, so practically you wouldn't need to invest much time.
 
I use Tado

Each room has a TRV and a thermostat and i treat each room as a seperate zone.
Cost a fair bit to do but well worth it for the convienance.
 
I have two Nest thermostats as I have two heating zones. My boiler supports OpenTherm but I don’t believe it’s supported for more than one zone.
There is a company (EPH) that does OpenTherm over two zones, though you'd go back to effectively "regular" thermostats on the wall again. If you happen to have an Ideal boiler, their own Halo Wi-Fi system also supports OpenTherm over two zones.
 
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