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lol dont forget that I recommended the Civic Diesel as an alternative for the heavier, slower Accord Diesel and the words Hot Hatch never crossed my lips :p
 
RX-8's look like amazing value but they are so temperamental it would be like having another GF. For the performance they offer the running costs are obscene and the attention they need is silly.

They do drive amazingly well when you are in Maximum attack mode though!
 
[TW]Fox;18888604 said:
Fair enough, but the Accord was itself an odd suggestion given at the time the favourite was an RX8 :D
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well I test drove the Mazda 3 MPS, 6 MPS, RX-8 (both versions), EP3 Type-R, BMW 318d, Mondeo 2.0tdi and Mini Cooper S before deciding on my Type-S GT Diesel :p

the RX-8 drank fuel (so much that I had to refuel during a test drive!!!) and felt gutless unless totally thrashed.

i know it's a strange progression but when factoring in the fun that I have in my Civic, the fuel economy, cheap road tax and insurance I'm glad of my choice.

TBH, only the BMW 123, 330 or 530 Diesels would tempt me to change at the moment (but then servicing costs = yuck)
 
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[TW]Fox;18888347 said:
Only diesel owners think the diesel is the better car, either because they dont know any better or because they have severe purchase justification syndrome,
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Oh god, don't even get me started. Read that article on PH where that guy was comparing a 330d with an M3 and just face palmed.

Then you get all of the diesel fanboys coming out of the woodwork saying they got the diesel because it was the better car and not because they like making themselves feel better by grossly over exaggerating their MPG figures.
 
ScottiB said:
isnt the MPG on the Mazda 6 attrocious? (and i'd assume road tax too) a local Mazda dealer told me that 18mpg was good for him

Good car though, I test drove a number of Mazda's and it's one of their best, not to mention the look on peoples faces when a boring looking saloo flies away from them :-P
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It's not good on fuel but certainly isn't as bad as 18mpg. From what I've been reading most people seem to average around 25mpg and can achieve over 30mpg on a long run. If you're lucky enough to find a decent late 55 or early 06 then tax will be £245 IIRC, after that it jumps to £445. :eek:
 
Gaygle said:
From what i hear of Honda prices, servicing a 123d is probably the same if not cheaper!
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3 yr 123d servicing quoted at £936
i paid £850 for 3 yr civic servicing inc first MOT

have to admit, the 123d isnt as bad as i thought it would be
 
Gaygle said:
Oh god, don't even get me started. Read that article on PH where that guy was comparing a 330d with an M3 and just face palmed.

Then you get all of the diesel fanboys coming out of the woodwork saying they got the diesel because it was the better car and not because they like making themselves feel better by grossly over exaggerating their MPG figures.
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I read that today. It almost made me cry!
 
Great, next time do your own research - What Car's figures are presumably from new - in reality 5 years servicing from new in a 123d is £300 through service inclusive.

Thats right - £300. For FIVE YEARS.
 
god you are argumentative :p

i just compared the "from new" price on what car with the "from new" on a Civic 2.2

wow, I may not have spent hours looking for the best quote in the market, but then again I didn't when I got my service package either.

my point was that I was surprised how low the 123D servicing costs were considering my experience of BMW servicing costs.
 
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ScottiB said:
god you are argumentative :p
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If somebody posts something I beleive to be incorrect, then I will correct it.

In this case, if you buy a brand new 1 Series you won't be required to pay almost a thousand quid to service it over 3 years!

In reality you will pay 70% less than that. I dont know about you, but thats a pretty fundamental difference, right?
 
but with a budget of around £8K, OP sure as hell aint getting a new 123D :p

or if he is, i want one too, lol
 
Firestar_3x said:
And you ended up with a Diesel Civic, wtf?
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yeah, dont forget I do a lot of traveling
Rx8 = gutless & drank fuel
MPS's = turbo lag & drank fuel
EP3 Type-R = fun but not practical and not comfortable
BMW 318d = comfy but boring & surprisingly small inside
Mondeo 2.0tdi = just plain boring, they so need a new ST
Mini Cooper S = nice drive but need more space! my mum's Yaris is more practical!

The FN2 Diesel Civic Type-S GT handles similarly to a FN2 Type-R so that makes me happy, it's a little heavier but the extra torque hides that a bit. It's amazingly roomy, much more so than any of the other cars on the list (which is great when i'm going to paintball with four friends and lots of kit). As a practical commuting car it's near perfect (if it had BMW MPG levels i'd be in heaven :p )
and it just so happens to be a fun drive when you want it to be as it can be thrown around without understeering me into a wall. Let's just say that Gibbo has done a lot of miles with me in that car and he will agree that it's surprisingly nippy and well balanced.
 
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Appreciate that, however I think my key point was why they heck did you shortlist things such as the MPS and RX-8 to test-drive if you already knew your requirement for doing big miles? The only reason i can think of is you did no research prior to shortlisting a set of cars?

I used to get quite a few hirecars in the hatchback class (Civics, Golfs and the suchlike), now i've never driven an FN2 however i have driven a 2.2 Civic Diesel and an EP3 and i can only conclude that unless the FN2 is significantly worse than the EP3 then the ICDTI civic simply isn't in the same ballpark.

The key defining feature I found particularly in the Accord and seemingly in the Civic to is how nose heavy the Diesel lump seemed to make the car vs the petrol version, but perhaps that’s just me.
 
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