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What to expect from AMD on October 8th?

I've been thinking a lot about computer hardware for the last few months, and I'm a bit surprised how much attention *price* gets. Okay, the crazy prices of products like the 2080Ti and the relatively lower RRP for the 3080 are interesting/important, but more and more I'm seeing people making a lot of fuss about $20, $30 differences in motherboard prices, $50 differences in CPU prices etc.

Why do people care so much about relatively small amounts of money on a component you might use daily for 2, 3 even 4+ years? The delta's between components or between retailers, or from one quarter to another are generally pretty small in the grand scheme of things.
 
clv101 said:
I've been thinking a lot about computer hardware for the last few months, and I'm a bit surprised how much attention *price* gets. Okay, the crazy prices of products like the 2080Ti and the relatively lower RRP for the 3080 are interesting/important, but more and more I'm seeing people making a lot of fuss about $20, $30 differences in motherboard prices, $50 differences in CPU prices etc.

Why do people care so much about relatively small amounts of money on a component you might use daily for 2, 3 even 4+ years? The delta's between components or between retailers, or from one quarter to another are generally pretty small in the grand scheme of things.
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Why not take that attitude with everything? "Meh, it's only £50 here, £50 there, what's the big deal, it's only money!"

:p
 
Any thoughts on whether upgrading from a 3700x to a 5800x is worth it? I play at 4k and will be using a 3080 eventually (don't get me started) and do some photo editing (42mp raw images).
 
FoxEye said:
Why not take that attitude with everything? "Meh, it's only £50 here, £50 there, what's the big deal, it's only money!"

:p
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That's kinda of my point, a lot of people do regularly throw £50 here or there, on other large purchases, but on computer equipment there's often a disproportionate, hypersensitivity to price. Just seems odd given that these are often things that last for several years.
 
Rikmeister said:
But will it live up to the hype?
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Live up to? It'll deliver a new stack of CPUs a bit faster than last year's models, for a little more money than last year's are currently selling for. I wouldn't expect it's worth anyone's time or money to swap a Zen 2 for Zen 3 - unless you're really in the market for more cores.

What's more interesting is the huge performance jump folk with 6 year or older systems will see. They'll have seen a huge jump going to Zen 2 anyway, this just makes it better. This is a good time to update an old system with a really solid, tried and tested platform that'll last year's - and allow the early (expensive, flaky) DDR5 etc stuff to be skipped.
 
clv101 said:
Live up to? It'll deliver a new stack of CPUs a bit faster than last year's models, for a little more money than last year's are currently selling for. I wouldn't expect it's worth anyone's time or money to swap a Zen 2 for Zen 3 - unless you're really in the market for more cores.

What's more interesting is the huge performance jump folk with 6 year or older systems will see. They'll have seen a huge jump going to Zen 2 anyway, this just makes it better. This is a good time to update an old system with a really solid, tried and tested platform that'll last year's - and allow the early (expensive, flaky) DDR5 etc stuff to be skipped.
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DDR5 with its very high throughput will enable truly next-gen APU graphics.
I am waiting for DDR5 for memory throughput and future-proof to DDR5-6400 or whatever comes there OCed, and PCIe 5 for maximum storage performance that is also a must for responsive system.

X570 proved to be hot and inefficient chipset because it's built on the wrong, not fine enough manufacturing process and needed active cooling which is not nice.
 
clv101 said:
I've been thinking a lot about computer hardware for the last few months, and I'm a bit surprised how much attention *price* gets. Okay, the crazy prices of products like the 2080Ti and the relatively lower RRP for the 3080 are interesting/important, but more and more I'm seeing people making a lot of fuss about $20, $30 differences in motherboard prices, $50 differences in CPU prices etc.

Why do people care so much about relatively small amounts of money on a component you might use daily for 2, 3 even 4+ years? The delta's between components or between retailers, or from one quarter to another are generally pretty small in the grand scheme of things.
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It’s a %. £50 out of £500 board is quite a large percentage. So if you take that 10% of a 2K build then it becomes substantial. People don’t tend to keep their parts for that long. At least not on this forum.

they like to upgrade to the next newest and best. It is about spending the least possible at the time of purchase and consider the best possible in terms of resale value. Some components will be more popular and suffer less depreciation therefore can afford better upgrades down the line.
 
clv101 said:
That's kinda of my point, a lot of people do regularly throw £50 here or there, on other large purchases, but on computer equipment there's often a disproportionate, hypersensitivity to price. Just seems odd given that these are often things that last for several years.
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It adds up,and soon it can be £100 to £200 extra on a build, which could get you a faster GPU,a bigger SSD,etc. Then if you start having large price increass every generation a £100 product could become a £200 one within a few years.
 
clv101 said:
What's more interesting is the huge performance jump folk with 6 year or older systems will see. They'll have seen a huge jump going to Zen 2 anyway, this just makes it better. This is a good time to update an old system with a really solid, tried and tested platform that'll last year's - and allow the early (expensive, flaky) DDR5 etc stuff to be skipped.
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Do you think most people skip a generation?

As you say, the next gen (AM5?) will likely introduce a lot of new technology - a new CPU range, chipsets, DDR5, USB 4... could be a lot of teething problems and incompatabilities before it all settles down. And, as you pointed out, likely to be expensive.
 
FoxEye said:
With CPUs it's been quite normal to skip 3-5 generations. Each bringing fairly miniscule improvements, until recently.
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Intels generational leap has been, quite frankly, insulting for a decade or more. Coincidentally the same amount of time that AMD have been severely lagging behind. Intel took advantage of that, rested on their laurels, skimped on R&D and are now paying the price. I really hope AMD throws them under the bus this time too so they may learn you can’t fleece consumers and are advantage of the lack of competition for long.
 
FoxEye said:
With CPUs it's been quite normal to skip 3-5 generations. Each bringing fairly miniscule improvements, until recently.
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I would disagree. This has only been the case in the last 6-7 years because intel hasn’t provided any real jump in their line up since 6000 CPUs. Before that people were upgrading quite often as each true generational change such as pentium to pentium 2, Athlon to sempron, to pentium 3 to A64 then to intel core or Phenom or Phenom 2 then the later 2000 series intels we’re giving people a lot of improvements and added features. Also CPU back then weren’t ridiculously expensive either.

If AMD’s current generational performance increase is to be kept, I think waiting for 3-5 generations is going to leave a lot of performance gap.
 
pc-guy said:
If AMD’s current generational performance increase is to be kept, I think waiting for 3-5 generations is going to leave a lot of performance gap.
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Yep I'd be looking at every 1-2 now if we're getting around 15% almost each time, and exclude any simple refresh with a small performance improvement. So that means I'd go 3700x to 5800x most likely depending on benchmark and latency results. Then see whatever the next big thing is most likely 1 year after DDR5 comes out to mature a bit.
 
I might have to pull the trigger on a 5900x setup coupled with a big Navi card. Going from a 6700k and 980ti...I’m looking forward to a proper jump!
 
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