What Will You Do If Windows 12 Isn't Free?

wiiija said:
What is it about the UI you dont like? I think the UI is a massive improvement especially explorer.
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I do not like the following

- No quick launch and been using this since W7. You have to use third party software to get this back. I do not want to "pin" all my shortcuts to the taskbar as this loads the app where the pinned shortcut is and pin to start means I have to click the start menu every time I wish to load an app or file explorer.
- Start menu, too big and takes up far too much space (I prefer the Windows 10 version)
- When you have software open on Windows 10 you get the icon of the app and the name next to it, on Windows 11 you get just the icon (Not too sure what this is referred too) and its all in 1 corner due to the icon only showing (Start button in the bottom left)
- No option to right click the taskbar and "show desktop" option, for work I can have a fair amount of stuff open at a time and sometimes being able to access the desktop to open something
- Right click menu, having to use "more options" to get the old list back.
- Rounded corners on everything

I know there is 3rd party software out there to fix this or reg keys and on my personal PC I have explorer patcher installed which resolves everything but on my work laptop the stuff it does during installing and updating is blocked by our IT and then fails to install properly so recently had to remove it.

I know this may also be me just being picky and know MS cannot cater to everyone.
 
hamesy said:
Can you imagine buying a new computer only to be told you need to pay x a month to use it properly? Most home users don't like paying for Office, I can't see them paying for the OS.
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Even more so if you have multiple PCs in the house (I have 2 x PCs and a laptop) and having to pay a price for each of them or paying for a "family" pack that includes so many computers etc.
 
ED209 said:
I do not like the following

- No quick launch and been using this since W7. You have to use third party software to get this back. I do not want to "pin" all my shortcuts to the taskbar as this loads the app where the pinned shortcut is and pin to start means I have to click the start menu every time I wish to load an app or file explorer.
- Start menu, too big and takes up far too much space (I prefer the Windows 10 version)
- When you have software open on Windows 10 you get the icon of the app and the name next to it, on Windows 11 you get just the icon (Not too sure what this is referred too) and its all in 1 corner due to the icon only showing (Start button in the bottom left)
- No option to right click the taskbar and "show desktop" option, for work I can have a fair amount of stuff open at a time and sometimes being able to access the desktop to open something
- Right click menu, having to use "more options" to get the old list back.
- Rounded corners on everything

I know there is 3rd party software out there to fix this or reg keys and on my personal PC I have explorer patcher installed which resolves everything but on my work laptop the stuff it does during installing and updating is blocked by our IT and then fails to install properly so recently had to remove it.

I know this may also be me just being picky and know MS cannot cater to everyone.
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No thats fair enough if they are problems for you, totally understandable, but yeh it must be tough to cater for everyones taste.
 
wiiija said:
No thats fair enough if they are problems for you, totally understandable, but yeh it must be tough to cater for everyones taste.
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I guess as well MS try and make it took modem or show that its evolved over time so people do not think its "just the same OS as before"

on my home PC I forget I am even using Windows 11 due to explorer patcher, maybe over time W11 UI will grow on me as I am forced to use it on my work laptop now but time will tell.
 
There are so many changes in 11 which make little sense - even just simple things like the print screen button by default now launching the Snipping Tool rather than just screenshotting to the clipboard - at least that is an option which you can change back but makes no sense to change the way it has always been, though some people might prefer that as an option as the Snipping Tool can be useful so not against the inclusion of it as a feature but silly way to implement the change - which then leads to the lack of ability to change the Snipping Tool's built in hotkey of a rather awkward Win key + Shift + S... unless you mess about creating a shortcut to the application and use a hotkey there or a Macro which they've made less than easy to do for *reasons*...
 
I would continue to use Windows 11 until its no longer supported..

By which time I'd fully expect that smartphones will be powerful enough to dock to monitors and be fully capable machines except for high end gaming
 
NeoVo said:
I would continue to use Windows 11 until its no longer supported..

By which time I'd fully expect that smartphones will be powerful enough to dock to monitors and be fully capable machines except for high end gaming
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It does amaze me that Google haven't pushed more for this option. I guess it's just too early, but the idea that you could plug a phone directly into a screen, and then have a desktop version of android, with mouse and keyboard, is surely something people would want. Would be a big worry for Microsoft, as smartphones already are killing the need for windows.

I've said it before, but I have a stupid high number of friends that do not own any device with windows. No laptop, no desktop,nothing.they have zero use for a pc and that'll continue to grow
 
Windows Phones did have this option, not for high end gaming but they could be docked and you could run basic apps on there. It actually worked pretty well. Unfortunately Microsoft are under the impression that everything needs to be 'one'. i.e. a touch device OS is Windows 11 with touch features. It doesn't work like that. You need a touch OS to be different to Windows. It doesn't mean you loose the compatibility but applications then need to be developed for touch OS (i.e. bigger areas for pressing a button). I'm not a fan of Apple but this is what there devices do well. They don't support tons of hardware so they know the resolution of the screens and they scale it to that. Windows supports so much hardware it then relies on the end user to tweak it to there preference.

Windows Phones actually had some amaizng features but the basic features were rubbish and the hardware, whilst it should have been pretty good, was appalling with everything breaking all the time (such as the camera).

Moving back to Windows 12 - would I pay for it? Yes I would (obviously cost dependent). The thing I wouldn't want to do though is pay for a subscription.


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unwashed potato! said:
... Would be a big worry for Microsoft, as smartphones already are killing the need for windows.
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They've known that for at least a decade and instead of concentrating on making things better for their core customers, like Android and iOS, they've been jumping from trend to trend slowly upsetting more and more of those core customers.

First it was Windows 8 with its tablet GUI, then they abandoned most of that and switched 3D because of VR and 3D printing, then it was Windows 10s in an attempt to combat things like ChromeOS, then it was Windows 10x for dual screens, then it was everything's going to be in the cloud so lets do that, and now it's let do AI. Unlike Android and iOS who have quietly been beavering away making things better for their core audience Microsoft have spent the last decade trying to be all things to all people with the result of annoying their core customers.

It's a management thing with MS, it always has been, if the software engineers had more freedom we probably would've got tabs in file explorer and notepad decades ago, we probably would've had a replacement for the command prompt like powershell decades ago, we probably would've had decent replacement for NTFS like ReFS, etc, etc.

IMO what would 'save' Windows is taking a much more modular approach, Linux has modularity nailed, and supporting more than x86. Then it would be fairly trivial for them to publish preconfigured versions of Windows with things like different kernels for different architectures and different desktops for different devices.
 
All this time and they still haven't fixed many basic things like for example many of the networking issues on Windows especially credential management when working with multiple shares, etc. meanwhile spend a lot of time on features no one has ever asked for or has a use for then trying to force them on people...

Even the credential manager, which is basically something out of Windows 95, is lacking and requires dropping into DOS for anything beyond superficial.
 
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If they do this I’ll abandon windows all together on every system where windows 12 is required.

Until the world is forced to move over to 12 there will be plenty options available.

They make enough money as it is without having to be subscription based.

They should IMO give the OS away for free and reduce the cost of the other services that people are more likely to buy as subscription based models.
 
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Depends if they use that money to improve windows. If it was actually a good update I wouldn't be completely opposed to paying a bit... but at the moment even though the Win 10 -> Win 11 upgrade was free I still feel ripped off.
 
Whilst I understand AI in some cases to do specific tasks, I just don’t really get it throughout an OS … what’s it’s really going to do for you day to day?.

are you going to switch the machine on and say, hey pc, find that email from Jimmie about installing a new game, install it and when you can’t remember the login password , create a new one for me To forget next time round as well.
 
Kelt said:
I used to be a programmer before retirement, and I'd be embarrased to have implented that.
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I really don’t understand it. At the very least give an option to disable it? Now I have to click an extra time, it’s so annoying. It seems like such a poorly thought out thing. Maybe there is an option to disable it in just too stupid to realise…
 
Donnie Fisher said:
Whilst I understand AI in some cases to do specific tasks, I just don’t really get it throughout an OS … what’s it’s really going to do for you day to day?.

are you going to switch the machine on and say, hey pc, find that email from Jimmie about installing a new game, install it and when you can’t remember the login password , create a new one for me To forget next time round as well.
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It's just another of their attempts at staying relevant to end consumers. First they shifted focus to mobile something that despite the failure of Windows Phones and to a lesser extent the surface line-up they continue to this day, then they shifted focus to 3D with the expectation that everyone would own 3D printers in a few years, then it was VR/AR to name but a few, they keep throwing spaghetti at the wall in the hope of something sticking.
 
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