What would you call an average wage?

Nitefly said:
You’re needs evidently aren’t simple whatsoever if you are searching for meaning and happiness (which suggests that you are not actually satiating the entirety of your needs). If your needs were simple, you would identify them and procure the satiation of them.

That’s not an attack, mind. My needs aren’t simple either! :p
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I actually think I'm quite straightforward. By now I'd have expected to be married with children etc.

My problem is that I want love. I've had had love before and know taste.

I don't struggle with girls now, my lifestyle, age, physical stature, decent upbringing etc mean I've had success I could only have dreamed off when I was younger.

But I won't settle for something that I don't love. I don't care about looks, wealth...but I want what I had. Something to invest in, good with the bad etc.
 
Puzzled said:
I thought the issue was the backlog in driving exams? Good time to go back if you left the industry though.
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The issue is pretty simple. The influx of cheap foreign labour has driven wages down. It is pretty silly to spend 3-4k on training which needs refreshing every 5 years to only get £10-11 a hour. Hence why hardly no one has taken it up when you can get the same working in a Factory without all the responsibility that driving a HGV requires.

One of my HGV friends handed in his notice last week because he wanted shift work instead of Monday to Friday as he was doing long hours. They were literally begging him to stay offering what ever shift he wanted. They are offering new starters 2K bonus 12 week retention bonus.

I think the main problem is Britain as a whole has trained up on services which is pretty much the governments fault but forget the need for everything else for the country to run. It does seem slowly that chickens are coming home to roost. I work in food manufacturing and it was easy to hire people but now it is becoming inherently difficult. I have maybe interviewed 20+ people since April and have had only 2 that made it and stayed. My sector will also have to either wake up and pay more or focus on automation like they should have done a long time.
 
adam cool dude said:
The issue is pretty simple. The influx of cheap foreign labour has driven wages down. It is pretty silly to spend 3-4k on training which needs refreshing every 5 years to only get £10-11 a hour. Hence why hardly no one has taken it up when you can get the same working in a Factory without all the responsibility that driving a HGV requires.

One of my HGV friends handed in his notice last week because he wanted shift work instead of Monday to Friday as he was doing long hours. They were literally begging him to stay offering what ever shift he wanted. They are offering new starters 2K bonus 12 week retention bonus.

I think the main problem is Britain as a whole has trained up on services which is pretty much the governments fault but forget the need for everything else for the country to run. It does seem slowly that chickens are coming home to roost. I work in food manufacturing and it was easy to hire people but now it is becoming inherently difficult. I have maybe interviewed 20+ people since April and have had only 2 that made it and stayed. My sector will also have to either wake up and pay more or focus on automation like they should have done a long time.
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HGV jobs havent been £10-£11 p/h for years and years. Problem is people dont want to do these kind of jobs anymore. You cant be on your mobile all day long and been on your own put a lot of young people off. My dad told me over 30 years ago to get my HGV as although I was training to be an accountant, he said people will always need truck drivers and if i found myself without work in my main career I would always have a job i could walk into next day to pay the bills.
 
Orangeade said:
I actually think I'm quite straightforward. By now I'd have expected to be married with children etc.

My problem is that I want love. I've had had love before and know taste.

I don't struggle with girls now, my lifestyle, age, physical stature, decent upbringing etc mean I've had success I could only have dreamed off when I was younger.

But I won't settle for something that I don't love. I don't care about looks, wealth...but I want what I had. Something to invest in, good with the bad etc.
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All off topic now obviously, but I think the love you are seeking may arise subsequently from the efforts of investment and choosing your person to love, rather than stumbling upon something unquestionably lovable and only investing in that. Or, it’s a mix of both at the very least.

Best of luck in your quest, however you play it!
 
adam cool dude said:
. I work in food manufacturing and it was easy to hire people but now it is becoming inherently difficult. I have maybe interviewed 20+ people since April and have had only 2 that made it and stayed. My sector will also have to either wake up and pay more or focus on automation like they should have done a long time.
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Same story everywhere, why work when you can get benefits instead.
 
dr_volki said:
i'd like to see that nursery. :(
full time 1kid is £1250 for me
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I meant in the sense of it costs more than minimum. I know our nursery charges 55 a day but we're in the "cheap" North. So 2 kids is ging to be 29 grand a year:eek:. Sorry didn't realise it was that much, due to my kids ages and 30 free hours we only had 2 months of large bills. After doing the maths that sort of proves my point though. I was thinking when we did it the kids only did 3 days so would have been 3/5ths of that but neither of us make anything like minimum wage (not a brag) so figured we were still better off working. I know my inlaws did it full time with 2 kids, although I think they're youngest didn't start till the eldest started school otherwise they would have had to donate organs:p.
 
Greebo said:
My dad told me over 30 years ago to get my HGV as although I was training to be an accountant, he said people will always need truck drivers and if i found myself without work in my main career I would always have a job i could walk into next day to pay the bills.
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Can't imagine we'll ever not need accountants anyway, tbh.
 
cheesyboy said:
Can't imagine we'll ever not need accountants anyway, tbh.
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There has been hard times where accountant jobs weren't easy to come by so always good to know I could go do a a few weeks driving to keep the mortgage and bills paid.

AI is reputed to be coming which will make most accountants redundant anyway.
 
Greebo said:
There has been hard times where accountant jobs weren't easy to come by so always good to know I could go do a a few weeks driving to keep the mortgage and bills paid.

AI is reputed to be coming which will make most accountants redundant anyway.
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As an accountant, and seeing the absolute state of most businesses accounting systems, I think accountants will be around long after lorry drivers are replaced with AI tbh.
 
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