Whats the future for diesel engines

[TW]Fox · 17 Mar 2017 at 08:26

Destroying serviceable cars and making totally new ones to replace then is always good for the environment right?

paradigm · 17 Mar 2017 at 08:26

If they really want the most "polluting" diesels off the road, then any scrappage scheme should be weighted based on emissions, rather than outright "trade in" value.

Six6siX · 17 Mar 2017 at 08:39

[TW]Fox said:
Destroying serviceable cars and making totally new ones to replace then is always good for the environment right?

Yeah, duh!

The CO2 and other pollution that is produced as a result of the manufacturing, production and distribution of new vehicles doesn't count because you aren't taxed on them.

bloodiedathame · 17 Mar 2017 at 09:06

[TW]Fox said:
Destroying serviceable cars and making totally new ones to replace then is always good for the environment right?

They get made regardless. Like packets of ham and other meats. It's our public duty to consume things prepared for us.

[TW]Fox · 17 Mar 2017 at 09:26

bloodiedathame said:
They get made regardless. Like packets of ham and other meats. It's our public duty to consume things prepared for us.

They get made when somebody orders one or for stock based on projected sales volumes.

bloodiedathame · 17 Mar 2017 at 09:42

[TW]Fox said:
stock based on projected sales volumes

The majority of goods are manufactured this way.

[TW]Fox · 17 Mar 2017 at 09:46

bloodiedathame said:
The majority of goods are manufactured this way.

Yes...

Kingdom34 · 17 Mar 2017 at 11:24

[TW]Fox said:
Destroying serviceable cars and making totally new ones to replace then is always good for the environment right?

Nail on the head and it is all about making money....this govt is shocking...tell us one thing, move over to that...now another...its manipulation and its illegal in my eyes...but hey, we will all do it. Taxing Electric/Hybrids is a joke as well

andicole0 · 17 Mar 2017 at 11:29

Kingdom34 said:
Nail on the head and it is all about making money....this govt is shocking...tell us one thing, move over to that...now another...its manipulation and its illegal in my eyes...but hey, we will all do it. Taxing Electric/Hybrids is a joke as well

Taxing the production of batteries and the extraction of heavy metals to make them should be used to compensate.
Andi.

Jonnycoupe · 17 Mar 2017 at 13:13

andicole0 said:
Taxing the production of batteries and the extraction of heavy metals to make them should be used to compensate.
Andi.

Yawn.

ttaskmaster · 17 Mar 2017 at 16:21

paradigm said:
If they really want the most "polluting" diesels off the road, then any scrappage scheme should be weighted based on emissions, rather than outright "trade in" value.

Articles on the already proposed scheme suggests up to £5,000... with payouts based on how close you live to the city and what you're replacing teh diesel with. In other words, to get the full 5k, you have to live in a city centre and buy an EV, with the 5K either being a money-off voucher towards an EV, or a cashback thing that you claim post-purchase.

So, those of us who can barely afford a £1k old diesel will get £5k off the EV we certainly cannot afford... Lovely. Thanks Gov.

marl · 19 Mar 2017 at 09:27

ttaskmaster said:
Articles on the already proposed scheme suggests up to £5,000... with payouts based on how close you live to the city and what you're replacing teh diesel with. In other words, to get the full 5k, you have to live in a city centre and buy an EV, with the 5K either being a money-off voucher towards an EV, or a cashback thing that you claim post-purchase.

So, those of us who can barely afford a £1k old diesel will get £5k off the EV we certainly cannot afford... Lovely. Thanks Gov.

Anyone any idea how this scheme would work? Would you have to trade your old diesel for a 'brand new' car, or could you trade it for one a year or 2 old that met the relevant emissions criteria? I'm interested in this as I have a soon to be 12 year old diesel.

Nasher · 19 Mar 2017 at 10:21

In the past it's only been for new cars, which sucks

But if it stacks with the existing EV subsidies that would be good. If so you could get the only worthwhile EV (a Tesla) for under 25k

bloodiedathame · 19 Mar 2017 at 10:56

People who own diesel cars typically do not do the driving that EV cars require, short journeys.

[TW]Fox · 19 Mar 2017 at 11:06

bloodiedathame said:
People who own diesel cars typically do not do the driving that EV cars require, short journeys.

Actually loads of people do.

chaparral · 19 Mar 2017 at 11:25

It be easy to push people towards petrol or electric cars as all they would need to do is put the price of diesel up by around 30p to 50p per litre..

Am sure I remember that diesel fuel used to cost a fair bit more then petrol years ago :confused:

Orionaut · 19 Mar 2017 at 12:12

chaparral said:
It be easy to push people towards petrol or electric cars as all they would need to do is put the price of diesel up by around 30p to 50p per litre..

Am sure I remember that diesel fuel used to cost a fair bit more then petrol years ago

I am perfectly happy with any policy that will discourage people from buying NEW diesel cars (IE a policy to De-Diesel the PLG market over the next 10-15 years or so)

But to impose additional costs on people who already have diesel vehicles would be a monstrous injustice!

:mad:

flinco · 19 Mar 2017 at 13:09

chaparral said:
It be easy to push people towards petrol or electric cars as all they would need to do is put the price of diesel up by around 30p to 50p per litre..

Am sure I remember that diesel fuel used to cost a fair bit more then petrol years ago

I would agree with this approach. I suppose the issue will be the increased cost of shipping and logistics, though don't they get a better rate than the normal motorist? Send diesel up to £1.69, send petrol down to £0.99.

Perhaps then, given a few more years, I won't have to stay ever vigilant with my finger hovering over recirculate.

dink · 19 Mar 2017 at 13:10

I do about 20,000 miles a year and have just brought a 1.8 petrol due to the uncertainty of Diesel and having to keep this car for 5 years. Maybe I'm an idiot, maybe not who knows lol

pinkpound · 19 Mar 2017 at 13:40

dink said:
I do about 20,000 miles a year and have just brought a 1.8 petrol due to the uncertainty of Diesel and having to keep this car for 5 years. Maybe I'm an idiot, maybe not who knows lol

Same boat as you

I'm after a nearly new car 15/16 plate (replacement for my car that my son written off :mad:

) I've been looking at diesel but with the recent bad press +possible costs going sky high + depreciation and I'm now looking at a petrol version :rolleyes:

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Whats the future for diesel engines