What's up with Yorkshire?

Technically it is only a part of the county of yorkshire for ceremonial purposes, other than that it is not part of a county, and yes... I do know the difference between counties, boroughs and districts... Funnily enough I was refering to none of them, I was refering to Regions...


https://www.gazettelive.co.uk/news/teesside-news/yorkshire-boundary-map-tell-you-9391806

Then there was the next map where the line is exactly the same, I was wrong on the date, not 2015 but 2017.

Then you'd know that counties as we know them are actually formally titled ceremonial counties...hence the repeated mentions of ceremonial purposes.

You'd also know then that regions are areas of governance and aren't necessarily linked to the historic/ceremonial counties?

You've still not answered the question for...the third time? If it's not in Yorkshire, what county is Middlesbrough in?

Please provide links to Middlesbrough councils, the UK government and this county's websites showing they agree that Middlesbrough isn't in Fact in Yorkshire.
 
You've still not answered the question for...the third time? If it's not in Yorkshire, what county is Middlesbrough in?

For the third or fourth time I answer your question.... Middlesborough falls within the ceremonial county of yorkshire, but is not part of the county of yorkshire as it is located beyond the boundary of yorkshire.

EDIT: (Along with Redcar, etc)
 
For the third or fourth time I answer your question.... Middlesborough falls within the ceremonial county of yorkshire, but is not part of the county of yorkshire as it is located beyond the boundary of yorkshire.

Middlesborough is part of North Yorkshire. There isn't a "county of Yorkshire".

You started off being wrong, you then tried to google to back up your wrong claim, you've then had to ignore evidence to the contrary and rely on some maps from google image search. Then you attempted some backtracking etc.. and a partial acknowledgement that it is in Yorkshire. We're nearly there... but you're apparently confused by local government, namely whether or not some area was governed by a county council.

To clear up some confusion... Middlesborough, as it is a large town, is a "unitary authority", this essentially means it handles everything local government related.

North Yorkshire county council covers the "non-metropolitan county" of North Yorkshire, i.e. the mostly rural bits. Essentially in these areas the county council is responsible for Education, transport, strategic planning etc.. and the local districts for local planning, housing etc..

Perhaps to try and illustrate this further can you try to answer these questions regarding some other urban areas that you might well be aware of?

Which county is York in?

(fun fact - much like Middlesborough, York, as it is a city, is a "unitary authority" so not governed by North Yorkshire county council)

Which county is Blackpool in?

(fun fact - Blackpool is a unitary authority, it functions independently of the Lancashire county council)


Have you thought about your answer... has it become apparent that if you're going to maintain this rather silly position then you'll also need to contend with the fact that by your logic "York" is in fact not in North Yorkshire simply because it is big enough to manage its own local government as a unitary authority instead of having the county council manage things for it in conjunction with a smaller district council.

In fact I could go down a whole list of UK towns and according to your argument they're apparently not in the county they're actually in, simply because their council is able to handle all local government for them.
 
You are funny Dowie, I just forgot to put the "north" before the "yorkshire" ... Look back at every other time I said it & you will see I said "North Yorkshire".

York not being in yorkshire would be silly, because I'm sure that we can both agree that York is within the boundary of yorkshire and it always has been.

However, have you noticed that Middlesborough, Redcar etc.... have actually been classed as not being in a yorkshire county quite a bit? There are aguments and personal preferences in that very area of where you are from? There are folk in middlesborough etc who would not say they are from yorkshire. But I've never met anyone from york who wouldnt say they are from yorkshire. There are also plenty of people from yorkshire who would say that middlesbrough is'nt even a part of yorkshire. Why is this? And why is there an OS map showing the border of north yorkshire being below middlesbrough? Oh I forgot, you dont trust the map, I guess you think they were lying and just made the map up.... and all the hoo-har about this very subject, that warranted newspaper articles like that in the first place were just nonsence. Sorry, you are right there is absolutly no doubt at all, everyone in that whole area consider themselves to be from yorkshire and the OS people are just trolling too.

I've not backtracked at all, I've always said that its a part of the ceremonial county of yorkshire (whoops "north yorkshire") I've also always said that its not actually in the county of north yorkshire's boundary.

I've also not once brought up unitary authoritys, apart from when quoting wiki, so I really do fail to see how you can put words in my mouth and try and pull a clever little "by your logic" stunt... but I do see you doing that rather often here so, *shrug*, its pretty apparent that you like to argue on this forum, so many threads have you arguing in them... which is fair enough... its your life.
 
Middlesbrough is in Teeside not Yorkshire.

You can try, but you can never escape.

Middlesbrough - Wikipedia

Middlesbrough is a large post-industrial town on the south bank of the River Tees in the county of North Yorkshire, England, founded in 1830. The local council, a unitary authority, is Middlesbrough Borough Council.

Sorry, I posted this before I realised that the argument had been raging already, desolée
 
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I'm a Yorkshireman, I just found West Yorkshire to be a dump tbh so l left, foundI had to really travel to find the nice. Bits and constantly stuck in traffic, everybody looked miserable because their lives were so unfufilled,,
Never find them perticulaly friendly either when I go back,,
Down here(well in London atm) may as well be on another planet its just light years away in lifestyle
 
Would I be “poking the bear”, if I asked for information on the ceremonies that involve Middlesbrough
suddenly becoming part of Yorkshire, then returning to no man’s land when the ceremony is over?
 
For the third or fourth time I answer your question.... Middlesborough falls within the ceremonial county of yorkshire, but is not part of the county of yorkshire as it is located beyond the boundary of yorkshire.

EDIT: (Along with Redcar, etc)

You haven't answered it at all. If it's only in N York's when it comes to 'ceremonial' purposes then in which county does it lie the rest of the time?

Please provide the 3 sources I've repeatedly asked for.

Or acknowledge you don't know what you're talking about as now you've changed to naming it as the ceremonial county which is infact the county as it's commonly known to all.
 
Its just in general the further you get from London people get nicer. There most be some sort of formula to represent this somewhere :p
 
Would I be “poking the bear”, if I asked for information on the ceremonies that involve Middlesbrough
suddenly becoming part of Yorkshire, then returning to no man’s land when the ceremony is over?

Not sure why anyone wants Middlesbrough anyway, it's a ******* tip :p
 
Its just in general the further you get from London people get nicer. There most be some sort of formula to represent this somewhere :p

I think that is representative of all large cities I’ve ever been to all around the world. Just many people trying to get around doing their business trying to negotiate round the meandering tourists
 
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