Soldato
My 3-pin charger?
When are you going fully electric?
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My 3-pin charger?
Granny chargers will become very expensive overnight if that happens.
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A: you think they can’t get it from the car then?
B: are you suggesting your comfortable with tax fraud/ evasion?
The issue with this approach is scale. The cost to collect tens of billion in fuel duty from a few hundred businesses is next to nothing. The cost to collect it from individuals will be eyewatering and all of that will have to be added to the tax to make it worthwhile. That's before you consider all the opportunities to get around it via hacking the cars software or just simply removing the sim card from the car. Let's also be realistic, no ones coming to investigate you for £300 of missing tax.
That's the obvious issue with that one also and that there is no way to determine what is happening after the smart meter.Solar will be even more attractive then.
You can just use a charger that doesn't report your usage, they are readily available. Its not even difficult to build your own EVSE, they just use off the shelf components. The vast majority of the expense of an EVSE is all the smart nonsense these days. Tesla will sell you a 32A capable EVSE for £180 and a 32A commando pigtail for is is about £40. The cheapest wall box is what £600 these days?
Not if I remove the sim card.
See my point above, no one is coming after you for a few hundred £, it would cost more to work out how much you owe and collect it than what you owe.
I take it you've never paid a tradesperson cash right?
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Caporegime
Quite a lot of my charging comes from my PV array. I could still fit in another 4 panels if needs be.Solar will be even more attractive then.
Soldato
I am suggesting they can't tax energy I produce, and what I chose to do with it. Heck I could put the car on a flat bed truck, drive it to the top of a mountain and let it roll down and recharge it using KERS - I am pretty certain they will never add the VED at the home input level.
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I am suggesting they can't tax energy I produce, and what I chose to do with it. Heck I could put the car on a flat bed truck, drive it to the top of a mountain and let it roll down and recharge it using KERS - I am pretty certain they will never add the VED at the home input level.
You can make your own fule if you want. Still have to pay duty on it.
EV charging duty or tax is way more feasible than by miles taxation.
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Soldato
Not really, all they need to do is make you report mileage from year to year, and for cars older than 3 it would be done at the MOT. When selling a car mid-year you'd just fill in a field when doing the V5.
Since when has 10k a year been extreme?!
Edit - Sorry, just spotted that 2 posts later extreme jumped from 10k per year to 30k per year...
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The suggestion earlier was by miles variable pricing. I agree a based x miles per year tax would be the simplest to implement.
I did t say it was, you know it was a different sentence with a different point? I even qualified what I meant by extreme mileage in a subsequent post.
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Not if in 10 years time diesel cost £3-4 a literMost rapid chargers would be £1.04/kwh if you added the 25p/kwh to charging, getting on for 40% higher cost than diesel.... sounds like a vote winner
You are quite correct. 10k a year is just the point where you wouldn't consider buying it.
No wonder EV depreciation is so high.
My point was that in a todays buyers market for EVs I can find lower mileage examples for a similar price. Not that 10k miles per year was excessive.
My subsequent point was that 3 or 4 year old EVs with 100,000 miles on them is excessive and would very likely have done a lot of rapid DC charging. So their battery would potentially have a lower SOH.
Would the government really care? The target from both sides seems to be "hard working individuals" with the context being ground level workers in the basic rate bracket. Not middle management types riding the BIK gravy train.Most rapid chargers would be £1.04/kwh if you added the 25p/kwh to charging, getting on for 40% higher cost than diesel.... sounds like a vote winner
Yeah fair enough, I read too much into it TBH. Your personal preference when buying a car is exactly that.
Soldato
Person I work with on occasion has a Model 3 that just turned three years old, and it has nearly 85k on it. They do a 110 miles commute five days a week, so that's nearly 27k miles per year (not including weekend use), it's virtually never been rapid charged, they have it mainly due to cheap running costs and charge at home every day. So you are correct to not assume about the mileage being an indication of DC rapid charging. Should get them to look at SOH with my ODB when I next see them.
No worries. The thing is this red line need to move as the market changes. When EV prices were through the roof a year or so back, we gave up finding a reasonably priced one. Even almost two year old 64kWh Konas were £35k. A 1 years old eC4 was £27k. Now used EVs are at a point where your choices are much improved to the point you can afford to shop around and be prepared to walk away.
Soldato
You say that, but I know a few companies who have issued all their service teams with Tesla model 3’s, these lads won’t be higher rate tax payers. And it’s not huge companies either, maybe 3 or 4 mill TO.
Given they have not been able to bring themselves to apply the fuel duty accumulator policy they implemented for the last 11 years or put back on the the 'temporary' 12 month 5p cut they took off 2 years ago and they have just kicked the can down the road for another year.
Meanwhile train fares go up like clockwork every year.
On this basis, I'd say no, they are not going to simultaneously annoy both the vocal motorist and environmental nut job at the same time over the same issue.