When are you going fully electric?
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I got my Kona tyres replaced, the old tyres were just really bad/worn and front were budget. Now on Michelin Primacy 4 S1 A/A/68db rating, only managed one blast (for testing 
), smoother, really quiet, better grip, still some grip loss when I floored it but that's just this EV with it's silly torque and I don't really ever floor it for that reason. Was also getting 5/5.1 miles per kw in the couple of trips earlier (could be slightly milder temp), very happy.
), smoother, really quiet, better grip, still some grip loss when I floored it but that's just this EV with it's silly torque and I don't really ever floor it for that reason. Was also getting 5/5.1 miles per kw in the couple of trips earlier (could be slightly milder temp), very happy.
Saw a marked improvement in range when I changed my tyres in Feb back to the EV ones, >~10%, I had put the wrong tyres on when I dropped from 22-20" despite buying what I assume was the same Pirelli PZ4 I missed the critical manufacturer marking not realizing that leads to a completely different tyre, tread pattern, construction etc, why even name them the same 
I'd at least let the releasing compound wear off before making too many conclusions.I got my Kona tyres replaced, the old tyres were just really bad/worn and front were budget. Now on Michelin Primacy 4 S1 A/A/68db rating, only managed one blast (for testing
I always find that new tyres feel pretty bad compared to the worn out ones that have just come off straight from the tyre fitters. That may be partly due to the random number generator they use for determining tyre pressure though!
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Yeah I might redo the pressures on these, I did the old pressure to 37 psi (should be 36, I overclocked them lol) but while driving they were 40, maybe this is normal not sure. New ones are reading between 34-38 I think it was.
Just learnt about TPMS! and would explain why the car needs to be moving before it gives a reading.
Just learnt about TPMS! and would explain why the car needs to be moving before it gives a reading.
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The market is the market…
Something has to be done though to fill the £35bn hole. And out govt keeps doing trials into pay per mile
Urgent need for pay-per-mile road pricing to make up £35bn fuel tax shortfall, MPs say
The UK must urgently introduce pay-per-mile road pricing to make up the £35bn budget shortfall created by the switch to electric cars, MPs say.
www.driving.co.uk
Could pay-per-mile road charging come to the UK? | Autocar
As electric cars become more common, fuel duty revenues decrease. Could a tax reform be on the cards?
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Not sure why lobbyists seem to have a hard on for a pay by mile scheme.
Simply increasing VED to counteract the loss of fuel duty will have an identical effect and it also means you don’t have to try and reinvent the wheel or implement an overly expensive scheme which tracks the milage of 30 million cars and who knows how many commercial vehicles. The cost will just be immense to do it robustly.
You can already pay VED via monthly direct debit, the infrastructure is literally already there and all U.K. vehicles are already in scope.
They are already doing it by stealth via the £40k supplement anyway. Rebasing VED on price, size and efficiency makes the most sense and it’s easy to deliver for all vehicles.
They can stick fuel duty on hydrogen which is burnt in heavy machinery/generators.
Job jobbed.
Simply increasing VED to counteract the loss of fuel duty will have an identical effect and it also means you don’t have to try and reinvent the wheel or implement an overly expensive scheme which tracks the milage of 30 million cars and who knows how many commercial vehicles. The cost will just be immense to do it robustly.
You can already pay VED via monthly direct debit, the infrastructure is literally already there and all U.K. vehicles are already in scope.
They are already doing it by stealth via the £40k supplement anyway. Rebasing VED on price, size and efficiency makes the most sense and it’s easy to deliver for all vehicles.
They can stick fuel duty on hydrogen which is burnt in heavy machinery/generators.
Job jobbed.
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Pay per mile at least works to make those that use the roads the most pay the most.
I’m all for that for numerous reasons, such as the fact that own multiple vehicles but can only use one at a time, so mileage based taxation means I’ll only be paying the tax once, rather than 3 times (admittedly the third at the moment is still £0).
I’m all for that for numerous reasons, such as the fact that own multiple vehicles but can only use one at a time, so mileage based taxation means I’ll only be paying the tax once, rather than 3 times (admittedly the third at the moment is still £0).
Because it can theoretical achieve a range of traffic management goals as well as raising money. Price urban roads, and roads through villages, higher for example or charge more to travel at rush hour, etc. and you can modify behaviour.
That’s not necessarily how fuel duty works though. You’ll pay substantially more fuel duty doing 7k miles in a V8 petrol Range Rover than you will do 15k miles in a diesel fiesta.
And before anyone chimes in with ‘yeh but heavier cars damage the roads more’, they really don’t make a material difference in the real world where roads are designed to take 44T artics pounding up and down them.
Likewise most roads are paid for via council tax rather than central government and it’s the roads maintained by council tax which seems to be the problem. National highways maintained roads tend to be in decent shape, even now.
Fuel duty is only there to raise money for the government, It doesn’t have any other purpose.
And theoretically kill the economy at the same time.
You really do actually need people to be able to move around with as little friction as possible to keep things moving, not only for those who want to spend money but also those who want to make money. There is no alternative most of the time to driving in the real world, even in London.
Exactly the opposite: time wasted in transit due to jams is a major drag on the economy as well as its health and wellbeing costs.
Public transit, and cycle infrastructure, etc do need to be improved of course, but that's true regardless.
I don't actually think road pricing is going to be real world viable, but I can see why it appeals to planners; the theoretical benefits are there.
because its unfair for somebody to replace a "per mile" system such as fuel duty with a flat charge no matter what how many miles you drive. A person who drives 20,000 miles per year currently pays around £1100 per annum in fuel duty. Is it then fair somebody who only does 2000 miles per annum pays the same?
Total fuel duty revenue is £25bn per annum and there are 33.5m cars so thats an extra £794 per car per year in VED.
Thats why they are looking at a pay per mile system. Plus they can tailor it to reduce congestion but making it much mroe expensive to drive on congested roads during rush hour and cheaper for rural people who need a car as they have no viable alternative.
My elderly parents who live in the middle of nowhere and totally rely on their car would be crippled by an extra £794 for the 2000 miles per annum they do.
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Fuel duty doesn’t currently have this objective nor does it materially impact it. You’d have to raise it substantially to tax people off the roads and on to public transport which doesn’t exist.
Raising the same money from fuel duty isn’t going to change this though. It’s merely replacing one revenue stream with another.
Not all fuel duty comes from cars, vans, Lorrie’s and busses have entered the chat just to start.
Huh? That's the point. It's why planners like road pricing, because it achieves things fuel duty doesn't. You also don't necessarily need to raise it, overall to have an effect, just target it effectively.
This. You want to reduce congestion on a road during rush hour? if you have pay per mile road pricing you can price that at £1 per mile to "encourage" people to use public transport or car share.
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