When are you going fully electric?

It would likely make more sense but like i said likely an irrational fear of not being able to charge when i'm out for the day or go away. I was looking at nipping to liverpool for example, over 2 hour drive there, my fuel light was on as had forgotten to fill up on the way home the night before, few minutes in a shell garage i was set for the trip. Then when i looked at where to park : https://www.liverpool-one.com/parking/ look how little charging there is at the car parks.
I'll be hoping for a m340i in a decent spec for now but thought i'd answer the question of why i have not jumped yet at least :)

Yeah I wouldn't bother if you have irrational fears of wasting a few hours once in a blue moon, to likely save only a few thousand pounds in fuel costs until you refresh next time. Sadly irrational fears very rarely go away, you have to actual try and rationalise them, and spend some time convincing yourself why it is irrational, much like UK house spiders, loads of people scared for no reason at all. :)
 
Yeah I wouldn't bother if you have irrational fears of wasting a few hours once in a blue moon, to likely save only a few thousand pounds in fuel costs until you refresh next time. Sadly irrational fears very rarely go away, you have to actual try and rationalise them, and spend some time convincing yourself why it is irrational, much like UK house spiders, loads of people scared for no reason at all. :)
I like house spiders so there's a win. No doubt will take the plunge to electric and wonder what i was worrying about
 
I was convinced I would keep getting longer range EV until I was getting over 300 miles of range in summer and 250 winter. Right now my lease I-Pace gets 270 summer and 220 winter. I am thinking of our 4th EV and am already happy to drop to 240ish summer and 180ish winter, or even less.

The simple reason is… experience.

After almost 5 years of my own two EVs and one for my wife, I realise that the charging infrastructure has been perfectly adequate and has improved immensely in 4.5 years. Its not range anxiety, but charger anxiety that’s the problem.
 
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I can’t say I have ever forgotten to ‘fill up’ my car. The natural thing to do is to plug it in when you get home. You always leave home with a full tank, it’s incredibly convenient. You’ll spend less time at a public charger than you will refilling petrol over the course of the year.

On the rare occasions you do need to use public chargers, charge it when you need to stop rather than when the car needs to stop, you aren’t waiting around for the car to charge.

A standard range Model 3 (60kwh) is good for 4 hours driving without stopping, particularly if a chunk of that is driving into a city centre like Liverpool where you spend 30 mins doing <10 miles. Stop start traffic doesn’t impact range to anything like it like it does an ICE car. Generally the slower you go, the better it gets.

Even doing home care, I’m not sure you’d be doing a significant amount of miles per day, you’d easily get though the day without needing to charge. Short of the original Zoe/Leaf, every city car on the market does >100 miles on a charge all day every day. Many of them considerably more. The current gen Zoe had a really good range from its 50kwh battery. The Mii/e-up/city go are great little cars if that’s what you are looking for.

How many miles does she do a day?
 
Miles for her varies, she's typically out from 7am to 11pm with an hour or two break which depending on where she is she comes home or stays out. Hoping she gets a perm work car at some point
 
I have an ev (Ariya , 87kwh). It is as @b0rn2sk8 says incredibly convenient to let the car charge overnight and leave the next day on a full charge.

At first I was a little concerned having an EV with range anxiety , but in actual fact Iv had the car 3 months and have never needed to use public chargers because the range is so big (300+ miles in summer) and I don’t do massive amount of miles.

I mean who in their right minds would be doing 300 miles in a day anyway.
 
Miles for her varies, she's typically out from 7am to 11pm with an hour or two break which depending on where she is she comes home or stays out. Hoping she gets a perm work car at some point
How much is varies, e.g. is it less or more than 80 miles a day?

Presumably, even working in a rural area, you are still working within a locality rather than trailing up and down the M1 between each visit.
 
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I have an ev (Ariya , 87kwh). It is as @b0rn2sk8 says incredibly convenient to let the car charge overnight and leave the next day on a full charge.

At first I was a little concerned having an EV with range anxiety , but in actual fact Iv had the car 3 months and have never needed to use public chargers because the range is so big (300+ miles in summer) and I don’t do massive amount of miles.

I mean who in their right minds would be doing 300 miles in a day anyway.

This is it indeed. This describes my mentality and I was convinced that EVs need to be doing 300 miles + range to become mainstream. As your actual experience grows, you will revise that range anxiety down, not up.

Most modern cheap (sub £27k) EVs can do over 200 summer and over 150 winter miles. It’s the infrastructure that matters for longer range trips because as you alluded to, doing 300 miles in one day would be about 5-6 hours driving in the UK.
 
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I had meant to add to my post and your infrastructure comment reminded me of it.

I towed my caravan to 230 miles Wales recently with my Model Y. The car has -40% (50-55mph in with the trucks) to -50% (60mph overtaking where possible) range with the caravan on the back. I go for the 60mph approach giving a max range of 140 miles.

The car needed 1 stop, I stopped roughly where I needed to stop anyway, charged and got on my way.

It definitely took longer than it would have with an ICE car, but it wasn’t that much longer and towing a caravan isn’t exactly something you do every week.

The point is the infrastructure is actually far better than people give it credit for and even with a car with 140 miles real range can get you places.

I charged the car off a 3 pin for £7 a day. Great convenience and means no public charging other than the single rapid on the way there and back.
 
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The infrastructure here in N. Ireland was terrible even a few years ago. Something like 5 50kWh chargers for the region and because of stupid legislation they were free. So getting one was literally impossible with all the freeloaders queued up to use them.

The usual suspects who owned EVs were up in arms that new legislation was introduced that meant companies could start charging for charging. I had many heated debates with fellow EV owners who insisted the reason we had poor infrastructure was not down to them freeloading. Within a year of that new legislation we have a significantly improved infrastructure with plenty of rapids. The bonus is they are generally available because freeloaders can’t freeload. I also suspect it will drive EV adoption because no longer are you confined due to literally terrible infrastructure.
 
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Anybody here got a VW ID3?
Can the driver seat lift up high?

What do you think of the car overall?
My brother got a new one when they first came out, expected delays in getting the car but then he's had countless issues with it, vw struggled to figure out what the issue was so he spent a lot of time in a courtesy car. Still don't think his air con works but at least it doesn't cut out anymore. I'm not sure if they've got a later revision and I suspect vw are a bit more versed in diagnosing and fixing issues now.
 
This is it indeed. This describes my mentality and I was convinced that EVs need to be doing 300 miles + range to become mainstream. As your actual experience grows, you will revise that range anxiety down, not up.

200 motorway miles in worst case conditions is enough for me, when coupled with ~100kw charging and (most importantly!) a reliable charging infrastructure. The e-Niro already pretty much ticks all those boxes; it's just the infrastructure which needs work!

Most modern cheap (sub £27k) EVs can do over 200 summer and over 150 winter miles. It’s the infrastructure that matters for longer range trips because as you alluded to, doing 300 miles in one day would be about 5-6 hours driving in the UK.

I mean who in their right minds would be doing 300 miles in a day anyway.

The problem isn't doing 300 miles in a day - it's going somewhere 200 miles away with no charger, and then needing to get home a day or 2 later! It's a non-issue if there are destination chargers, but if not it can be a bit of a pain needing to schedule some time to charge the car - this is where sufficient reliable rapids are needed en-route.

While it's definitely getting better, there are still areas with poor coverage.

Went for a long weekend camping trip last week, to a very remote campsite on the Welsh coast. Nearest rapid 15 miles/30 minutes away, and in the wrong direction. Nearest site with more than 1 charger, 40 miles/1 hr 10 mins, also in the wrong direction! Nearest destination chargers, 6 miles/15mins, so too far to leave the car and walk back.

Fortunately we found a rather nice beach in a town with 12x destination chargers relatively nearby, although it did mean we had to park a bit further away from the beach than we could have done otherwise. If it wasn't for that, then I would have had to take 3-4 hours out of the holiday purely to charge the car.

Actually thinking the most sensible option would be to get a cheaper, shorter range EV for the next one, maybe a 40kwh Zoe again, or Leaf (or standard range MG4 depending on the price at the time), as we're considering getting a van as well. 150 miles would easily cover our day to day usage, and for those longer day trips, most of the time the car is loaded up with stuff anyway, whether that's camping stuff, suitcases, beach stuff, bikes, dog, etc. While it's doable with the Niro, it does mean putting stuff on the roof (and people's laps!) which obviously impacts the range quite significantly - a van would be far more suited to that type of usage, and to be honest, with the cost of public charging, filling with diesel isn't going to be any more expensive!

A single EV van would be preferable, but there's nothing really suitable on the market. The Vivaro eLife (and similar from the other Stellantis brands) would be perfect, were it not for the fact they barely do 100 miles, even though they have 100kw charging, you'd realistically want to charge around 15-20%, up to 80%, so a "useable" charge between stops of ~60%, which is about 60 miles on the motorway. You'd end up stopping to charge every 45 minutes!

I don't think there's another option with at least 4 seats, except the ID Buzz, which is a) fugly, & b) expensive
 
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The benefit of caravanning sites is that they have electric hook up unless you are in a farmers field on a 5 pitch site, even a lot of those have electric these days.

There was a guy a few pitches down with a Model X, we were both charging up overnight night on site like I was. They had a little Eriba caravan what’s narrower and shorter bit has a pop top. It would have less impact on range than my standard caravan on the back.

Fully electric motorhomes should be interesting if they are allowed to tap into the high voltage in both directions.
 
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The benefit of caravanning sites is that they have electric hook up unless you are in a farmers field on a 5 pitch site, even a lot of those have electric these days.

Indeed, used the commando to 3-pin adapter, and also the the Ohme commando version on a few camp sites. Very handy, and most sites now they have cottoned on are happy to take some money from you on top of the hook up fee to let your charge your car, some just ask you avoid peak times and limit the current draw if the site is full. Sadly haven't been camping as much as I'd like to lately, but maybe again next year now.
 
unless you are in a farmers field on a 5 pitch site

The only kind of site worth going to surely? ;)

The site we stayed at has no mains power at all - the lights in the toilets are powered by solar panels on the roof :D

Can't really complain when this is the view you get though:

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symonds video .. so independent extended battery warranties , let's have those for phev's too
jumped FUD - didn't seem to mention calender ageing impact on battery life .. but if the warranty is at least good for next owner on his 100K+ M3, it's a useful security

 
Use gas for cooking in caravans but you could go electric with induction etc and it wouldn't be too bad most UK hookups give you 16A (~3.7kw) supply its mostly foreign sites where you can be limited to 3/6/10 etc. but yeah anything where you have to generate heat tends to draw a lot of watts.
 
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The infrastructure here in N. Ireland was terrible even a few years ago. Something like 5 50kWh chargers for the region and because of stupid legislation they were free. So getting one was literally impossible with all the freeloaders queued up to use them.

The usual suspects who owned EVs were up in arms that new legislation was introduced that meant companies could start charging for charging. I had many heated debates with fellow EV owners who insisted the reason we had poor infrastructure was not down to them freeloading. Within a year of that new legislation we have a significantly improved infrastructure with plenty of rapids. The bonus is they are generally available because freeloaders can’t freeload. I also suspect it will drive EV adoption because no longer are you confined due to literally terrible infrastructure.
free charging was never going to be sustainable and so being angry about losing that makes no sense to me........ when is the last time you saw a free Petrol station?.

However............ I must admit on the flip side whilst i do not expect free, charging more than the equivalent amount of diesel at a motorway service station does gall me somewhat...... and that is me only needing to use them single digit times a year. If i was going to be semi reliant on them i would bin off the EV. I wouldnt want to but its just not sustainable for regular use.... even more so when we start paying car tax and if/when they bring in charging per mile driving (if they do that they better do it for all cars and not just EVs!!!)

80p+ a kwh is insane, that must be double the cost of running an equivalent "efficient" diesel/petrol mild hybrid. Currently tesla owners are not so bad off on that front.
 
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