When are you going fully electric?

SexyGreyFox said:
I'm just after a charger now if someone can suggest a cheap decent one fitted.
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I would prioritise which charger you want fitting first. The best rates are only available to specific chargers which will narrow your pool significantly.

Most of us here use Octopus Intelligent Go (referrals are available if you need one) which is the best tariff if you can utilise the cheap overnight rate to say run a dishwasher, tumble drier etc. You don't need to shift much usage into the overnight rate to make it the best on the market and better than the below.

Otherwise, I'd probably look at Ovo Anytime, it's 7p like Octopus but only the electricity which goes into your car is at the cheap rate and not your whole house. The benefit is the day rate is cheaper than Octopus (standard price cap) but like I said, a typical person only needs to shift a tiny amount of energy on top of the car to make Octopus cheaper. If you have a home battery, Octopus is a complete no brainer.

Have a look at the respective websites for the EV tariffs and they'll give you a list of compatible chargers. The easiest option is to contact the energy supplier or the charger manufacture to arrange an installation, pricing is usually competitive.

Any local electrician can fit them mind, you don't need a specific charge point installer to do it but there are specific regulations they have to follow like notifying your DNO.

Tech_Boss said:
Didn’t think so many of you would be offended by Clarkson’s comments tbh :D Remember just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right.

I just can’t imagine teenage boys / car enthusiasts dreaming / lusting over 10+ year old ev’s. (I doubt they would ever become icons or classics)

In my younger days I had posters on my bedroom wall of a Ferrari f40, Lamborghini Countach, McLaren F1, Ford GT 40 and girls:D
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They are not offended, his comments are just a bit of stating the bleating obvious, shock horror, cars produced for the mass market are erm... mass market and don't give self titled enthusiasts a semi. His comments are not wrong, just a bit dim to anyone with two brain cells.

Like it or not, car enthusiasts are utterly irrelevant to what manufacturers actually make, bar a few exceptions and even most of those are status symbols first for the rich and famous as nearly all enthusiasts can't afford them.

I also have to break it to you but a hell of a lot of kids lust after a Tesla these days...
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
I would prioritise which charger you want fitting first. The best rates are only available to specific chargers which will narrow your pool significantly.

Most of us here use Octopus Intelligent Go (referrals are available if you need one) which is the best tariff if you can utilise the cheap overnight rate to say run a dishwasher, tumble drier etc. You don't need to shift much usage into the overnight rate to make it the best on the market and better than the below.

Otherwise, I'd probably look at Ovo Anytime, it's 7p like Octopus but only the electricity which goes into your car is at the cheap rate and not your whole house. The benefit is the day rate is cheaper than Octopus (standard price cap) but like I said, a typical person only needs to shift a tiny amount of energy on top of the car to make Octopus cheaper. If you have a home battery, Octopus is a complete no brainer.

Have a look at the respective websites for the EV tariffs and they'll give you a list of compatible chargers. The easiest option is to contact the energy supplier or the charger manufacture to arrange an installation, pricing is usually competitive.

Any local electrician can fit them mind, you don't need a specific charge point installer to do it but there are specific regulations they have to follow like notifying your DNO.
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The garage recommenced Octopus and luckily we can change in October.
When I said 'cheap' I didn't mean tariffs though, I meant the charger itself fitted and it looks like I won't get much change out a £1000.
Be nice if there were grants for Pensioners also.
I'll ask when I'm ringing around tomorrow.

Thanks
 
We’ve had a hundred years of petrols, and 10 years of EV, there’s no such thing as a classic EV, but there will be. My 10 year old is wowed by a Tesla.

Out of the 3 the only ones opinion I would give credence to is James May. He’s not a bell like JC or RH.
 
SexyGreyFox said:
The garage recommenced Octopus and luckily we can change in October.
When I said 'cheap' I didn't mean tariffs though, I meant the charger itself fitted and it looks like I won't get much change out a £1000.
Be nice if there were grants for Pensioners also.
I'll ask when I'm ringing around tomorrow.

Thanks
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Apologies - I know what you meant but what I was trying to say is that you don't want any charge point fitted but you want a charge point which is compatible with your preferred tariff, particularly as your car will not be. If you don't have a smart meter, you also need to get one of those ASAP.

If you are looking at Octopus the list is very short: https://octopus.energy/smart/intelligent-octopus-go/
Ohme
Zappi
Hypervolt V3/V3 Pro (official support to be added shortly - currently in public beta testing)

I think that is it, Ohme and Hypervolt will be the cheapest. Octopus can install an Ohme, you don't need to be a customer yet, Hypervolt can arrange for an install for you, as can Ohme via their websites.

The Ovo list is again very short https://www.ovoenergy.com/electric-cars/charge-anytime-cars-and-chargers
Ohme
Hypervolt
Indra
Anderson (££££)

EDIT: Ohme or Hypervolt will give you access to Octopus intelligent and Ovo Anytime. Hypervolt looks a lot better on your wall IMO but Ohme will be slightly cheaper I think.

Zappi has a lot more features which integrate well with solar and their wider ecosystem but it looks like a toilet seat (once you see it, you can't 'un-see' it) and is more expensive.

EDIT2: Ohme works via the mobile network, Hypervolt will need WiFi or ethernet - something to consider.
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
I was looking at the Ohme Pro with 8m tethered earlier - £999.

The cheapest I've seen with tethered 7m cable is this at £929 - https://www.cord-ev.com/cord-one.ht...1rL48DjJnra6Y0tMwgsQWRko2iI6Rpm8aAi9xEALw_wcB
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You'll not be able to access the best energy rates with that charger, that is the trade off.

You'd probably make up that £70 in one year using Ovo Anytime over regular Octopus Go which is more expensive than Octopus Intelligent Go (the one you need the compatible charger/car for).
 
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b0rn2sk8 said:
You'll not be able to access the best energy rates with that charger, that is the trade off.

You'd probably make up that £70 in one year using Ovo Anytime over regular Octopus Go which is more expensive than Octopus Intelligent Go (the one you need the compatible charger/car for).
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So go with Octopus and get the Ohme Pro and everything should link together nicely?

Or would Ovo be cheaper?
 
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SexyGreyFox said:
So go with Octopus and get the Ohme Pro and everything should link together nicely?

Or would Ovo be cheaper?
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Ohme will play nicely with both Octopus and Ovo.

Pricing wise between Ovo Anytime and Octopus Intelligent Go will be very close if you don’t have solar/battery or something which uses a lot of everything overnight like electric hot water.

It very much depends on how much of your house energy consumption you can get into that cheap 6 hour window in addition to your usual overnight base load to offset the slightly higher day rate. The more you can slot into that period, the cheaper it will be.

It doesn’t usually take much to make Octopus cheaper, 1-2kwh a day is usually enough but it depends on how much you use and what your base load is.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
You'll not be able to access the best energy rates with that charger, that is the trade off.

You'd probably make up that £70 in one year using Ovo Anytime over regular Octopus Go which is more expensive than Octopus Intelligent Go (the one you need the compatible charger/car for).
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I'm probably missing something blindingly obvious but wouldn't it take over 4500kWh of charging to offset £70, and that's ignoring the fact that Octopus Go still allows you to load shift in the 5 hour charging window?

I'm trying to talk myself out of getting a charger fitted and was looking to go for Octopus Go.

It's only for a PHEV and a company one at that so it is possible it won't be needed in 6 months if I get laid off/win the premium bonds/get offered my dream job...
 
Tech_Boss said:
Didn’t think so many of you would be offended by Clarkson’s comments tbh :D Remember just because you’re offended doesn’t mean you’re right.

I just can’t imagine teenage boys / car enthusiasts dreaming / lusting over 10+ year old ev’s. (I doubt they would ever become icons or classics)

In my younger days I had posters on my bedroom wall of a Ferrari f40, Lamborghini Countach, McLaren F1, Ford GT 40 and girls:D
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offended? I am not offended by him, just a bit frustrated I guess when I hear people like him or rowan Atkinson state things about the cars which are either massively outdated.absolute edge cases or just wrong because I just know some people will just trust what they say .

that said

www.hotcars.com

10 Fully-Electric Supercars & Hypercars Most People Haven’t Heard Of

Many EV startups have delivered obscure fully-electric supercars and hypercars that come with zero emissions.
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15 year old me would happily have had them on my wall along side Erica eleniak or Sam fox ;)
 
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lordrobs said:
I'm probably missing something blindingly obvious but wouldn't it take over 4500kWh of charging to offset £70, and that's ignoring the fact that Octopus Go still allows you to load shift in the 5 hour charging window?

I'm trying to talk myself out of getting a charger fitted and was looking to go for Octopus Go.

It's only for a PHEV and a company one at that so it is possible it won't be needed in 6 months if I get laid off/win the premium bonds/get offered my dream job...
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"it depends", 4500kwh is under 2 years usage for a typical full EV but also I think that represents the absolute worst case scenario, its likely to be faster.

With Ovo anytime there is no day rate penalty so you could make that up quicker depending on your usage profile, likewise you can charge for more than 5 hours per day so it eliminates any peak rate charging (say you have two high milage days in a row). The same applies to Octopus Intelligent, you are not restricted to 6 hours cheap rate, if you need more, you can have more as long as there is sufficient time to re-charge the car, I had 7p/kwh from 10pm last night until 7am today. A longer overnight rate means more time to load shift at a lower price, even if it is just your base load.

PHEV is different because you are only charging a tiny battery which is always going to get done in the standard time available. It also means the rate difference is less of a factor. That said for the cost of £70, I'd probably do it, its not like the charger is just going to work with that specific car and I'd hope it lasts a dam sight longer than the basic warranty period.
 
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Offended Tech did put a smiley after saying people were offended, which Clarkson probably intimated in his reply too (ie. tongue in cheek)
unless it was his serious voice like he used to accurately describe Meghan.
White goods comparison - well if you have repaired your washing machine you get a little bit of respect for the designers (fixed the pneumatic struts on my Asko - tesla could learn a lesson, drum bearings attempted)
equally the design and integration of ev drivetrain, looking at a some teardowns - impressive stuff, but clarkson can't see it.


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Will chancelloress play with the EV and charger subsidies in the upcoming budget to try and balance private and business ownership costs (so hold off on charger ?)
you can get charger subsidy if you are in rented property I thought, which itself seems unfair too - wondered if that applied to new shared ownership estate down the road,
who each have one.
 
b0rn2sk8 said:
If you are looking at Octopus the list is very short: https://octopus.energy/smart/intelligent-octopus-go/
Ohme
Zappi
Hypervolt V3/V3 Pro (official support to be added shortly - currently in public beta testing)
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Intelligent Go works with many more chargers than just those, it works with my Podpoint and even the granny charger that came with my car.

Or is that just what they'll install?
 
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bigmike20vt said:
offended? I am not offended by him, just a bit frustrated I guess when I hear people like him or rowan Atkinson state things about the cars which are either massively outdated.absolute edge cases or just wrong because I just know some people will just trust what they say .

that said

www.hotcars.com

10 Fully-Electric Supercars & Hypercars Most People Haven’t Heard Of

Many EV startups have delivered obscure fully-electric supercars and hypercars that come with zero emissions.
www.hotcars.com www.hotcars.com

15 year old me would happily have had them on my wall along side Erica eleniak or Sam fox ;)
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I agree with you tbh.

Those electric supercars do look good. But will they still be desirable 20 - 30 years time? Especially compared to the ones I listed?

Will they go up in value?
Will parts still be available?
Will the battery still work / perform?

It’s pretty obvious we live in a throwaway society. Things aren’t designed to repaired they are designed to be replaced.

It’s not just supercars, it’s vehicles in the £40k - £100k bracket.

Will an electric BMW on sale today be as desirable in 20 years compared to an e46 m3 csl / e60 m5?

Same goes for:
Audi RS
Mercedes AMG
Lotus
Renault
Porsche
Etc
 
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jpaul said:
Will chancelloress play with the EV and charger subsidies in the upcoming budget to try and balance private and business ownership costs (so hold off on charger ?)
you can get charger subsidy if you are in rented property I thought, which itself seems unfair too - wondered if that applied to new shared ownership estate down the road,
who each have one.
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No. EV charger grants for private homes got binned years ago now and I can't think of a compelling reason to offer them again. The government just removed winter fuel payments from millions of grannies, do you really think they are going to reinstate charger grants for people who can afford to buy a new car?

New builds are required to have EV charging provision as standard as a part of building regulations.

P.S. a female Chancellor is still a Chancellor.

Minstadave said:
Intelligent Go works with many more chargers than just those, it works with my Podpoint and even the granny charger that came with my car.
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That is because your car is compatible not the charger, an MG 4 isn't compatible so you need a compatible charger.
 
Tech_Boss said:
I agree with you tbh.

Those electric supercars do look good. But will they still be desirable 20 - 30 years time? Especially compared to the ones I listed?

Will they go up in value?
Will parts still be available?
Will the battery still work / perform?

It’s pretty obvious we live in a throwaway society. Things aren’t designed to repaired they are designed to be replaced.

It’s not just supercars, it’s vehicles in the £40k - £100k bracket.

Will an electric BMW on sale today be as desirable in 20 years compared to an e46 m3 csl / e90 m5?

Same goes for:
Audi RS
Mercedes AMG
Lotus
Renault
Porsche
Etc
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the throw.away society thing is a problem across the board and it does cheese me off, right from £2000 car headlights through to our kitchen tap which I had to repair for the 3rd time since 2013 this weekend.
years gone by it would have been a 10p washer and good to go but due to ceramic plates and complicated set up the replacement parts in the tap cost £30.
will current expensive EVs be classics in 30 years.time? perhaps not. every year they just get better and better and I dare say a top end EV today will seem pretty rubbish in 30 years time

BUT 99% of ALL cars end up junked in that time anyway. the reality is most people dont buy a car to be a future classic. the yellow fiat coupe in my sig islikely my favourite car I will ever own. ..I have loved that car since I 1st saw a review of it, and it's relevant here too as it was done by a very young Jeremy Clarkson back when top gear was actually a serious car program!

that must have been 1994 so 30 years ago. imo that car should have been a classic but 30 years on hardly any are left

and performance wise EVs can give people a taste of serious performance that historically only the really wealthy could afford.

£18K can get you an EV with 0-60 in 4 seconds and unlike many petrol cars that can do that , you can do that in an EV all day and not have to worry about mechanical wear and tear.
 
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Just the tyres. And those gears get smashed launching it all the time. Especially when cold.

Not sure I really care/worry when I launch my m3 (can buy for £18k too) At least the driveshafts aren’t clicking every time I change direction…
 
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With the amount of electronics on modern cars, it will be interesting to see how many remain on the roads in years to come, the oily bits are easy, but the electronics may not be so easy, micro's have a shelf life of ~20 years? once a ECU fails, how easy will it be to replace etc, and its not just the engine main ECU, everything seems to have a sodding ECU :p

Doesnt matter if its ICE or EV, the drive trains etc are good for 300k miles, it will be the ancilliary bits that will be a royal pain.
 
Tinders said:
With the amount of electronics on modern cars, it will be interesting to see how many remain on the roads in years to come, the oily bits are easy, but the electronics may not be so easy, micro's have a shelf life of ~20 years? once a ECU fails, how easy will it be to replace etc, and its not just the engine main ECU, everything seems to have a sodding ECU :p

Doesnt matter if its ICE or EV, the drive trains etc are good for 300k miles, it will be the ancilliary bits that will be a royal pain.
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100%. My Mercedes has an annoying message everytime I start it (SOS deactivated) because Vodafone switched off the 3G network. And it's on a 68 plate!
 
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