When are you going fully electric?

Simon said:
Just the tyres. And those gears get smashed launching it all the time. Especially when cold
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well ok fair enough there is no completely free lunch but for instance my mates BMW ... technically it's 0-60 is around 3.7s iirc.i think he told.me...... BUT apparently if you use the top end launch on it too often it is permanently dialed back (and only talking about 100 times or so)
 
think. Maybe. But. Mate said. Etc.

What are the actual facts ? Many evs only allow x fast charges before they are throttled too. Not sure what point you trying to make.
 
really it wasn't a complex.point. EVs offer an affordable reliable way to get a high performance car. whilst it is true ICE cars can be just as fast, there is a lot more to go wrong with them if they are that highly tuned.

you are free to disagree and if you want to say I am wrong that is fine..... but I would wager i am not. BMW do limit the number of times you can do the fastest launch control on their car before it is permanently dialed back, this is common knowledge. they don't advertise exact numbers but the closest my mate could get when quizzing the sales person was around 100 launches.
 
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Tinders said:
With the amount of electronics on modern cars, it will be interesting to see how many remain on the roads in years to come, the oily bits are easy, but the electronics may not be so easy, micro's have a shelf life of ~20 years? once a ECU fails, how easy will it be to replace etc, and its not just the engine main ECU, everything seems to have a sodding ECU :p

Doesnt matter if its ICE or EV, the drive trains etc are good for 300k miles, it will be the ancilliary bits that will be a royal pain.
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Watched a video on someone fixing a newish range rover. Must have been 15+ ECU controlling things.

Then wizard had to send a board off to another country to fix his older fiat 500 EV. Got it done though.

The issue is not enough fail to create a viable business locally but there will enough globally for someone to be fixing them nationally.
 
Tech_Boss said:
I agree with you tbh.

Those electric supercars do look good. But will they still be desirable 20 - 30 years time? Especially compared to the ones I listed?

Will they go up in value?
Will parts still be available?
Will the battery still work / perform?

It’s pretty obvious we live in a throwaway society. Things aren’t designed to repaired they are designed to be replaced.

It’s not just supercars, it’s vehicles in the £40k - £100k bracket.

Will an electric BMW on sale today be as desirable in 20 years compared to an e46 m3 csl / e60 m5?

Same goes for:
Audi RS
Mercedes AMG
Lotus
Renault
Porsche
Etc
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Harry's garage of classics don't seem that cheap to run. I think a simple EV will be quite appealing.
 
OspreyO said:
Harry's garage of classics don't seem that cheap to run. I think a simple EV will be quite appealing.
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i guess there are 2 problems, both similar but both slightly different. The reliability of cars is one thing and i dont think all but the most staunch anti EV person would be afraid to admit EVs tend to be more reliable.

However the flip side is (certainly when talking about "classic" cars at the moment..... when an ICE car fails they are often a lot easier to take apart and repair and indeed a number of people - and i dont include me in this, but probably a fair few on this board would ultimately be able to fix themselves so free labour and fairly basic parts/tools needed.

For instance no one would suggest a TVR is reliable. The one person i know of had theirs off the road more than on it.......... however that said most of the time they could repair it themselves.

the jury is well and truly still out on how repairable a modern ICE car is if they get to classic ages.... its possible they will be in a similar boat to EVs.
 
OspreyO said:
My eGolf is effectively cut off because of 3G. It's only 4yrs older. But you can do most things from a smart phone, nav etc..
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to be honest that is just either a lack of forethought, or deliberate planned obsolescence. Any company making cars must surely have known 3G had a very finite lifespan, a simple replaceable sim would have solved that issue. The same may happen with 4G in the next decade or so.
 
You see a modern ICE cars stuck waiting for oily bit parts these days. People trying to get auto boxes for slks and the like. People with older things like classic land rovers simply are constantly fixing them.

When I was younger I thought I'd be fixing a classic in a shed at this age. Now the idea of having to leave it under a cover in the drive t rotting doesn't appeal to me any more..
 
My issue with switching to electric is towing my caravan. Granted batteries are getting better every year, but there's a long way to go before I can tow my caravan any reasonable distance with an electric car. You can forget about the quoted range on most electric cars pretty much straight off the bat, but when you add a caravan to the mix its a totally different story.
 
Rain Man said:
My issue with switching to electric is towing my caravan. Granted batteries are getting better every year, but there's a long way to go before I can tow my caravan any reasonable distance with an electric car. You can forget about the quoted range on most electric cars pretty much straight off the bat, but when you add a caravan to the mix its a totally different story.
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Then don't get electric?
 
Rain Man said:
My issue with switching to electric is towing my caravan. Granted batteries are getting better every year, but there's a long way to go before I can tow my caravan any reasonable distance with an electric car. You can forget about the quoted range on most electric cars pretty much straight off the bat, but when you add a caravan to the mix its a totally different story.
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i think we have at least 1 EV owner here who tows a caravan but yeah you are right, it is one of the edge cases where evs are still a pita to go any distance with.

that said, is the pug 306 GTI6 a good caravan puller? it isnt what i would have thought would be the obvious choice either ;)
 
I'm surprised nobody has developed a 3g connected ODB adapter to take over some of the remote monitoring / control for cars that have had their connectivity nerfed.
 
Kenai said:
If EVs could spell the death of caravans, it is our duty as motoring enthusiasts to embrace them wholeheartedly :p
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Haha the classic top gear stance. Gotta admit I was in that group until I bought one

bigmike20vt said:
i think we have at least 1 EV owner here who tows a caravan but yeah you are right, it is one of the edge cases where evs are still a pita to go any distance with.

that said, is the pug 306 GTI6 a good caravan puller? it isnt what i would have thought would be the obvious choice either ;)
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That's a blast from the past! I loved my gti6 and Rallyes, they're like rocking horse shiz nowadays. The X5 does a decent job of towing, albeit the older e70 model.

OspreyO said:
Then don't get electric?
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I mean yeah fair enough, but the thread is "when are you going fully electric". My answer is I wouldn't mind going electric, I'm for it; but current tech isn't quite there yet for certain motorists to make the switch
 
Tinders said:
We’ve had a hundred years of petrols, and 10 years of EV, there’s no such thing as a classic EV, but there will be. My 10 year old is wowed by a Tesla.

Out of the 3 the only ones opinion I would give credence to is James May. He’s not a bell like JC or RH.
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Many would argue the first Tesla convertible? roadster? is already a classic
Its got the price premium of a classic
 
Rain Man said:
My issue with switching to electric is towing my caravan. Granted batteries are getting better every year, but there's a long way to go before I can tow my caravan any reasonable distance with an electric car. You can forget about the quoted range on most electric cars pretty much straight off the bat, but when you add a caravan to the mix its a totally different story.
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My mate has got a Bailey caravan and he rang Bailey's up for their advice, they even have an electric car page suggesting cars.
Anyway there's nothing that will tow his in a decent price range.

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